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KenM
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04 Aug 2006, 7:00 pm

How come God lets some people have AS and other people be "normal?" How come God lets some people get all the social cues, ect while people with AS don't? How come God lets people with AS feel lonely and depressed all the time while other superficcal people are happy? How come God is evil and lets people with AS continue to suffer? How come God likes to cause pain?



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04 Aug 2006, 7:02 pm

Because God f***s up sometimes

Happens to the best of us



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04 Aug 2006, 7:06 pm

I think God is evil, God lets evil happen, God lets bad thinga happen so people say prayers to God. its how God stays in power. God had the power to stop the planes on 9/11, but God did nothing. When you have the power to do something to stop evil and you do nothing, it makes you just as evil. God is evil for all the bad stuff he allows to happen in the world.



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04 Aug 2006, 7:11 pm

He's not very good at being an evil God when you consider the amount of good he allows to happen in the world.



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04 Aug 2006, 7:23 pm

KenM wrote:
God had the power to stop the planes on 9/11, but God did nothing.
Well, perhaps the atheists are right. There's an interesting book, The Crook in the Lot by Thomas Boston (1676-1732) Soli Deo Gloria Ministries (November 2001).
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04 Aug 2006, 7:31 pm

Learn your strengths.

Even if you are not aware of them, they are there.


Me and my brother have had extensive discussions on the topic, and through those discussions he is realizing his own capacity. Also, by these exchanges of ideas I am also learning of my own in areas that I didn't even know about before.



We are not broken. We are not deficient.


And read my blog (www button). You should find it interesting, especially the most recent post in which I discuss the advantages created by the necessity of concious learning of social skills.



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04 Aug 2006, 8:00 pm

Hey, give the poor fellow a break. The Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Norse, Aztec and many other gods were many in number and so they could divide the work up between them. The Christian god (who I assume you are referring to) only has him/herself. AND he created the world all in six days!

He probably didn't get much sleep that week. He was probably severely sleep-deprived by the sixth day. Who knows what state of mind he was in by then? Severe sleep deprivation is a known cause of depression, so maybe he was depressed by then. You have to admit, depressed people do pretty screwed up things. He was probably suffering from micro-sleeps by that stage too, so maybe he fell asleep at the wheel, so to speak, while he was creating humans. And I shouldn't neglect to mention that overall, his problem-solving ability was probably up the creek.

It's also entirely possible that he was suffering from sleep-deprivation psychosis by that stage. If you are unaware of what this is, I lead you to this page: http://menshealth.about.com/od/lifestyl ... depriv.htm. At the bottom of the page it says this:

Huber-Weidman, 1976 wrote:
Night 6. Symptoms of depersonalization occur and a clear sense of identity is lost. This is called sleep deprivation psychosis.


KenM, that could provide the answer you are looking for. Rest assured, God is probably not evil. Most likely he experienced this loss of identity, causing him to act in a way most unlike him on the sixth day, when he created man. Who knows what he believed himself to be on that fateful day. Maybe the loss of identity, combined with the depressive effects turned him into an evil god, at least just for that day until he finally got some good sleep. Maybe he even thought he was Satan on that day.

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04 Aug 2006, 8:00 pm

God is not evil. Everything evil that happens God uses for good in the long run.. Look at 9/11.. a terrible terrible day. Look what came about. People risking their lives to save those in the rubble. People donating blood. People donating money. People donating their time to help people. After 9/11 the American people were more united than they ever were in the history of this country. All of this was God's doing. We coming together after a terrible event is God's doing. I dont have the answers to why God made people with AS. for me, AS has made me who i am today. I wouldnt want to be "normal" im happy with the way i am. Yes God choses to allow Satan reign over earth. This is the Devil's world. God gave people free will. its to our choosing how we live our lives. Either to live in the light or the darkness. But in the long run God has control over what Satan can and cant do. God never gives us more than we can handle. God is love.



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04 Aug 2006, 8:07 pm

You're probably trolling, but I'm happy to bite.

If there's a God, he's either:
- fickle
- evil
- callous
- helpless

At least one of the above must be true. It's illogical to say otherwise until there is no suffering in the world.

Excuses like "it's our fault" don't stand up. We aren't responsible for birth defects (not refering to AS), and victims of people aren't responsible for their victimiser's actions, which should have been stopped by a caring and powerful God.

It's absurd to say that all bad things that happen are good on the basis that they lead to good things. If that was the case, after thousands of years of wars, plagues, persecution, and human cruelty, this world should be full of sunshine and cotton candy. Plus, would a benovelent and powerful God really have to <insert travesty> just to do good?

Personaly I think everything makes more sense if you just remove God from the equation.



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04 Aug 2006, 9:24 pm

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I think God is evil, God lets evil happen, God lets bad thinga happen so people say prayers to God. its how God stays in power. God had the power to stop the planes on 9/11, but God did nothing. When you have the power to do something to stop evil and you do nothing, it makes you just as evil. God is evil for all the bad stuff he allows to happen in the world.


"Believe it or not", that is actually a belief-system that you just described, called Maltheism. Mal = Evil.

It is the belief that God is evil and twisted.

But I just think that if there is a God, then he is a lot like a human as far as flaws go, and he doesn't know or see everything to begin with. Heck, God could have died billions of years ago for all we know. Therefore he isn't fully responsible for who is born with AS and who isn't.



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05 Aug 2006, 1:08 am

While using the concept of God I will say:

God made enough people with A.S to meet others with A.S. So at least God made enough people with A.S to be unique enough in a world of so many normal people.



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05 Aug 2006, 1:33 am

KenM wrote:
How come God lets...


Of course, if you abandon the God hypothesis, this problem, and many others, simply disappear.


(That still leaves certain other difficulties, but does deal with your immediate question)



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05 Aug 2006, 1:46 am

cdmeyer wrote:
God is... God never gives us more than we can handle.


cdmeyer, I would wish to respect a faith that you have, that I once did but no longer share.
But the statement I have quoted above I cannot leave unchallenged as a true assertion.

I have seen too many people broken by circumstances even if you do not count those killed, for example on 9/11, on the grounds that they are now in heaven (but only if Christian?)

People driven to suicide, and to despair. People given much more than they could handle.



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05 Aug 2006, 2:12 am

I don't believe the God concept was intended to be all that happens. As if God (the concept of) is guilty and responsible for everything that happens. Freewill overrides the God concept in it’s sometimes proposed responsibility for all that happens. So man creates many of the problems it has on it’s own.

God is a way of coping and explaining within it’s sphere of belief and a way of accepting.

Really if God is said to not give "us" or a person nothing more then we can handle, perhaps it is the ability to cope with what happens despite it not being God's fault. The ability to adapt, overcome, challenge and defeat circumstances.. God then is not what happens but the minds natural ability to invent the solutions and overcome what already happens..

It has been described, well mostly by the new agers with some newer concepts, that god is the collective consciousness of all minds in existence. So really then God is mankind and mankind screws up and creates problems, not an individual thing as God, but many things as people in a collective influence.

I don’t know that this post has helped.



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05 Aug 2006, 2:26 am

Because he looked at the humans and realised that he needed some people who would have interests other than gaining a higher social position. And who were capable of direct, straightforward communication.


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05 Aug 2006, 5:55 am

I don't wish to sound callous but am I the only one that doesn't care about 9/11 or care that people died?