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11 Aug 2011, 3:40 pm

I joined a forum with social researchers and these types of professionals. They were discussing AS . It is The Guardian , and this is where SBC's work has been reviewed. I was Ok and being diplomatic until I noticed one of our guy's trying to get some points across and he was being treated with what I took to be patronizing remarks and condescension by a few of people there. Like he was stuttering or something, which he wasn't at all and they pretended they couldn't get what he was trying to tell them.

The AS person does a lot of good work in the UK and is trying to raise awareness for AS with The Government.
.One NT was really rude to him:

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Arec...It's all very well making claims for paradigm shifts...but you have to face the possibility that you're wrong.

Clearly, he doesn't have to face that possibility

All he has to do is ignore any salient points made by others that contradict his special shiny new paradigm and carry on braying that the view from the Balrin bedroom eclipses all others.


Antother was Ok but he kept being condesending and treating him like a case and kept putting him in logic locks . This is not the best way to teach'help someone like Arec.

This not so rude NT got defensive when I showed Arac how to get out of a simple logic lock.

They are also exhausting him by asking him questions they already know the answer to.


I do not usually go at people but the guy started to try this BS with me and I really laid into him. He was just an old guy who had read some books and was posturing. I went into him like streetfighter in apub. So bad.

I upset the NT and frightened the others. I am not a good diplomat for WP . I do not feel any sense of having won anything even though I won the argument.I actually feel like I have just randomly laid into someone because I got angry.

Arec is still there and I haven't helped him by doing this.

I left a warning I will go back if I see anyone else trying to bully him. Could not think what else to do.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... f-comments
http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/yo ... f-comments
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11 Aug 2011, 3:45 pm

I think it's pretty simple--you go back and say, "I think I was too harsh and got too personal; I'm sorry and I'll be more civil when I'm debating in the future." It's the Internet--we've all gone too far on arguments, gotten too angry. It's easy to do when the guy's not sitting in front of you and can't punch you in the nose if you get rude.


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11 Aug 2011, 3:48 pm

I want to bring Arec here and give him a chill . Maybe put him in touch with other guy's- he's very like Ci in some ways.

They are winding him up and not so much laughing at him but, examining him.



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11 Aug 2011, 3:50 pm

That has got to be the most confusing comment section I've ever seen. I found your comment (or at least the comment you are quoting from in this post) but couldn't find the thread preceding it. It was as though every comment on every article was just lumped together. Best to just use Callista's wording.



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11 Aug 2011, 3:54 pm

Okay , But I'm not going back for a few days. When I run into him I will apologize.

It is a random comment section where they chat or when a thread closes after three days it carries over to the random section.

Click on my profile and you will see the actual AS debate- it starts at
or go here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... greenfield



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11 Aug 2011, 3:59 pm

What to do about Arec?



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11 Aug 2011, 4:01 pm

I think that you should go back and apologize to him, saying that you were a little hard on him. It also helps to have a good role model as well. One who's fare to people.


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11 Aug 2011, 4:16 pm

cockneyrebel you are one of the gentlest most diplomatic people i have the honor of knowing.



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11 Aug 2011, 4:26 pm

I'm confused.

Is this happening at an online forum or a face to face meeting with people?


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11 Aug 2011, 4:31 pm

Online forum- but i was trying to raise positive awareness for AS in UK . We are trying to get a debate with Cambridge University about including AS in future research. One Uk AS guy was trying to talk to them was being bullied by an NT and I waded in. This other NT wan't doing any harm just being NT and I Thought he was a better debater than he was and I ripped into him. He was just I think a relatively old guy , read some psychology but gave the impression he knew what he was on about.

sorry about all NT's btw- I'm calming down now.



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11 Aug 2011, 4:37 pm

memesplice wrote:
Online forum- but i was trying to raise positive awareness for AS in UK . We are trying to get a debate with Cambridge University about including AS in future research. One Uk AS guy was trying to talk to them was being bullied by another NTs and I waded in. This other NT wan't doing any harm just being NT and I Thought he was a better debater than he was and I ripped into him. He was just I think a relatively old guy , read some psychology but gave the impression he knew what he was on about.

sorry about all NT's btw- I'm calming down now.



While some sort of contrition might be in order, you may also think you did more damage than is likely. How do you scare people in an online forum? There is no way to actually generate fear using words alone unless you physically threatened them and have means to carry out that threat. You may have made them angry and you may not have represented autistim as well as you wanted too, but you shouldn't project your own emotions into it an assume that NTs are responding in kind.


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11 Aug 2011, 4:43 pm

This was after the serious debate about AS- like our random discussion and they were all chatting socially , I think, maybe.


I wrote this :

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You made statements, I replied . That was a two way conversation by any definition I can think of. When I replied within the language common to the branch of twentieth century pyschology you asked me to think in ie Jungian, you did not grasp this, so either you have not read much Jung or you attempted to distort.

I also replied in a practical way to many of the points you made last night and earlier today. You define yourself as Neuro Typical because in order for you to define others as non typical -ie AS or "personality disordered" you must also hold NT as a relative frame of reference for yourself , without this reference you invalidate other non typical definitions which form the basis of your arguments. Paradoxically you do not like being referred to by your own frame of reference. This is a contradiction I will learn from.

Thank you for showing me this.

I hope you do not think I am being impolite .



We are not at war with these people.



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11 Aug 2011, 5:16 pm

This is something I'd do (and have done0 with people who have pushed one of my buttons - like when i see someone bullying someone else, and I don't think I've ever apologised. But that's not really a good thing.


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