Communication -- Telepathy -- or Vibrational Frequency?

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First a story:

Friends have a fully autistic child, and in passing him at a birthday party a year ago, he spoke to me and conversed with me lucidly. One of his parents passing by noticed, and jumped right in exclaiming he had been silent for the last 4 months straight or something like that. The next time I saw the boy, a few months later, we conversed for several minutes while he was sitting and riding on a see saw with me, and he conversed quite lucidly and with obvious intelligence. But he never seems to do this with anyone else. I've thought of being a therapist, but I don't have the credentials for it, and have many other things in my life I'm trying to work on simultaneously, so I'm just passing the idea on, hope someone notices, and it grows, and is retold, and worked on, maybe some real therapists will pick up on it someday soon.

Now, some analysis:

I've long thought the autism disorder had something to do with telepathy. My personal feeling of why I have difficulty communicating is, that it is the other way around, other people have difficulty, because I can communicate to some degree telepathically, and other people, just lost in that regard. But, after some thinking about it I realize, maybe that assessment is a bit unfair. It may just be a matter of, everyone communicates in some degree telepathically. The communication between our minds, or our hearts, or our souls. But, we need to match vibrational frequencies, "be on the same wavelength" as it's described informally, to really communicate. And people who would be described as NT or 'normal' are on a different wavelength from people who would be described as autistic, aspie, or somewhere on the spectrum. I'm just pointing out, from my story, that it's not that some people are normal, and others are abnormal. Talking with the fully autistic boy, to me, was normal, we were able to converse normally, and to me, he seemed quite intelligent, and well able to communicate, in fact, as his parents passed us by and watched us they noticed he was talking with me. It's just that when I sit there and watch the parents talking with their child, it's obvious they are on two different wavelengths. He goes for months without speaking, in their observation of him. And I wonder sometimes, does he see them, as going for months, without intelligently communicating with him?

Because, this is how I feel. It's only because I'm 'high-functioning' that I am bridging the gap between the normal or neurotypical population and the fully autistic. But I think, I've seen, there are other people out there doing this too. I just wanted to bring it up, and talk about it, because it's a discussion I want to get out there in words, that we can translate to deeds, and hopefully work towards actions that are solutions, in a way that I see fundamentally as a difficulty of communication between two segments of the population, that are on different wavelengths. Or, as the name for this website itself suggests, living on different planets, or in different worlds. Hoping others pick up on this discussion, I'd really love to hear some feedback. Hope the lines of communication improve.

disregarding your nonsense about telepathy, you're basically saying autistics are able to communicate better with each other then NT's with autistics, which might be true, dunno.

However I do know that autistics are able to be with eachother in complete silence and not feel presure to talk, that's a sort of anti communication we're good at, I don't feel as comfortable doing that with an NT - they sort of pressure you into conversations.

Anyhoo, your new age analysis of something a lot more simple is to out there for me.

Ok, you do have a good point about being able to be in complete silence. I just do feel, I'm not asking for a rude reply. You don't have to agree with it being telepathy. Telepathy is just a name for a phenomenon that has many different names, I refer to it below, but it's a side effect of what humans in the 21st century sometimes call quantum mechanics. But, since I'm talking about a language and communication difficulty, let me say, names are deceptive. Words are deceptive. Language is deceptive. I'm willing to sit there and have a nonverbal communication, I do that too. I'm opening this dialogue to try to develop lines of communication with those who are not.

Your reply was actually quite rude. I already know the (or an, several really) answers, and I'm asking politely, for opinions, and to open a dialogue on the subject, not begin an argument. Rather than post a rude response on the forum, why don't you use the poll to post your opinion. Save your rudeness for people who would like to hear stuff like that, I wasn't asking for it, and I'll be rude back, since you were. Stuff it. Because your rudeness is as repulsive to me as my mention of telepathy apparently was to you. As I pointed out I already know some answers, and can prove it mathematically and in other ways. I am opening a dialogue politely with the 21st century humans who do not already know this answer. Telepathy is not only new age, it's actually based on quantum mechanics and some rather solid mathematics. I will make the details quite clear in time, I've already posted a rather quick meta meta proof elsewhere. As I mentioned please don't be so rude, I'm not trying to be rude back, it was a polite question and I'm willing to be polite. You do not know all the answers. Neither do I, but I do know, more than you sound like you do, from your rude answer.

My grandmother used to say "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" but there's a time when that's not sufficient, or at least, a time when you need to blur the boundary on what is nice and what is not, or nobody would ever be able to say anything anywhere and we'd all just sit in silence like kids with cyberbrain closed shell syndrome, which is just the autism of the future, in one possible (fictional) future. But it's nice sometimes to be able to talk, even with normal people, or across lines, which is why, I'm trying to have this discussion...

can you explain to me how I was rude?

Phonic, I went back and did, in my post above. but, I shouldn't be rude back, even though it's tempting, because, like I said, I'm not trying to start an argument. I know a lot of people see telepathy as new age. A lot of people dismiss things, or shut down communication, because certain terms are repulsive to them. I knew when I posted it that it was a controversial term. I went back to my reply above and tried to make it a little more polite and clear. I took offense to your reply to my use of telepathy. For some, telepathy is real. But also for some, time travel is real. For others, they are repulsive terms, new age, or sci-fi, or delusional. But also, think, for some, the internal experience of an autistic person sounds like fantasy. Seeing a thousand pictures in an instant. Counting all the matchsticks that have fallen to the ground and being able to give that precise number, like Rain Man. Yet there's people for whom these phenomena are reality too. If I put a name on that 'idiot savant' or whatever, there's those who might find the magic they can perform as offensive as it sounded initially to me like you found telepathy. I'm saying, part of this problem comes I think from you thinking you know my reference frame when I use the word telepathy. You don't at least not yet. Not until we've established that link. I could also call it soul to soul communication, a meeting of minds, or describe it in very precise mathematical terms, but that takes a long time and involves a language very few people speak. I know the language but it takes time to write and time is limited and LaTEX is a pain to type in. I'm trying to use meta in my conversation, so I can have conversations in real time with real people. There's physicists and mathematicians who understand and do not dismiss the possibility of telepathy, so please, unless you can offer a mathematical disproof, all I'm saying is, be patient, work with me, on language and terms. I'm trying to be polite, and in some sense, linguistically, I'm very high-functioning, it's just that fingers and mouths and words only move so fast.

Hope we can get past this initial small conflict and become friends and understand one another someday, I'm really on this site to make friends. But I also am here to open complex lines of communications, rebuild some bridges that for some have been burned, or for others, never existed.

also, i'd go back and edit out my rudeness and gruff, defensive, reply, if you'd edit out your obvious distaste at my use of the term telepathy, except, that by doing so, it would remove something from this exchange, that goes to illustrate part of the communication difficulty i'm trying to draw attention to.

we in these first few posts already had a difficulty of communication caused by our use of the same symbol set or written language to refer to totally different things. then if either of us gets angry or stalks off or closes down the communication, we have repeated the logjam that occurs between the fully autistic person and the NT person. so, i suggest we leave it there, because sometimes, reality throws these things in, or they occur, the unfolding of events in time is actually the illustration of ideas, or they are related. coincidence or causality? i suggest there's something in between, and something greater, and it's not just a new age idea, there's scientific or mathematical explanations for all these things, as well as other ways of outlining or explaining them, just building the language all takes time.

I'm sorry, I'm to blunt to keep up a charade of respecting your thoughts on telepathy and to much of a loner to be your friend.

I also don't believe in a soul, an afterlife, a god or anything like that, you're talking to the wrong guy.

Misterwackydoodle, those on the spectrum could be gifted with the ability to communicate telepathically. Doesn't mean everyone on the spectrum is. Some do have amazing minds and talents.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo, firstly, I rather like your name, had to cut and paste it to spell it correctly though, Lol! I met and friended another Ana just earlier today, on another site. Thanks for the response about morphic resonance fields, I've already browsed through some of that, and I will bookmark it and get back to it if and when I have time.

Quickly replying to Phonic's last comment, as well as your statement about telepathy, in passing:
I know everyone won't accept my or any particular belief. I'm not exactly talking from belief though. My personal _experience_ is that belief in a soul is not required, to have one, nor is belief in the reality of telepathy, to have the facility. I believe in neither, myself. Have been an atheist and a pragmatist. Just that I keep observing the existence of both, despite not believing in them, and it has all got me a bit puzzled.

Possibly that we should move beyond belief entirely to start having better conversations. But, I'm just trying to have a pleasant conversation, that will eventually, not necessarily help anyone, but I hope, might help a few people. Especially those with autistic friends or children with severe language difficulty, if the thing I discovered can actually be repeated by any therapists. I'm not sure, but I would be glad if even a few people were helped "fit in" with those they have to interact with. I have gone days weeks or months without attempting to initiate conversation, and replying only when asked, myself. I used to sleep through classes in school and just wake up when I needed to answer, some of my teachers just used to let me, because I always had the 'right' answer, when they called on me. So, I've had some communication difficulty myself, which I'm still trying to work past. I can stream out words as fast as mouth can move or keyboard type, a book or a song, but if people hear them and are only angered by the content, sometimes I feel what is the point of trying? So I just have shut up. But I am looking at the world today, and moved to communicate, out of frustration, living my life, seeing things fall apart around me, because of lack of communication, I MUST TRY.

I don't think I believe in telepathy, and I certainly do not believe it is the key to understanding autism. For one, you did not communicate with the boy telepathically, but verbally. And second, I am autistic, and I simply do not believe I can read or share thoughts with others telepathically. This isn't being rude, btw, just a disagreement with your opinion.

Thanks for sharing Lily. Just looking for some discussion. My personal experience as I was saying, not my belief, in telepathy. In other words, I experience, I did communicate with the boy telepathically. He communicated with me in many different ways, which I found quite interesting, a much broader variety of modalities simultaneously than NT people do. I perceived a link, not just words, but his body language, his eye contact, his emotion, feeling a shared understanding, that is all there as well. Then the words. What his parents jumped on as an observation of their son's ability to communicate, was that he was speaking in words. What I noticed as his ability to communicate, was something else entirely. To a certain degree, it requires, for me, a face to face. But sometimes it happens over the internet too. Or telephone, it's strange. As I say, I absolutely do not _believe_ in this. That doesn't stop me from experiencing it. What does, is fear, of the new, the strange, that which I don't believe in, and don't understand. That, I observe too. Fear, whether of the new or the strange, or that which I don't understand, is the greatest barrier to communication, whether for myself or others.

On the subject of telepathy...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7sC3Gwij2Y&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

Just something I found a while ago. Maybe some can do it and some can't.

I have not yet seen any good evidence for the existence of telepathy. I'd be interested in seeing yours. "It's connected to quantum physics" is not evidence; I would like simple, logical, step-by-step explanations of how it works, and to have the mathematics laid out.
I also don't see how "autistics communicate better with other autistics" translates to "telepathy"; it seems like a huge leap of logic to me, so if you could explain how you got there, I'd appreciate it.

I'm not sure I believe in it, but I see it like this:

Before electricity was understood, people believed lightning came from "gods". People who had never seen it before would not believe it existed without seeing it. Then humanity eventually started to understand it, and now we have things like light bulbs and computers; electricity is part of our everyday life.

Maybe in the future someone will say: "Before mind-resonance was understood, people believed that anyone who believed in it must be absolutely crazy. Then humanity eventually started to understand it, and now we have things like resonance translators and instantaneous thought-communicators; mind-resonance is part of our everyday life."

I think someone should start researching this if so many people have had it happen to them.


Or maybe I'm just crazy and it's not true. :P

Anyone interested in telepathy will find field research interesting. Don't worry aboutmy username, I copy it whenever I need to log back into my account.

There is no valid material evidence to support any claim of telepathic communication. Any such claim is both anecdotal and subjective, and therefor suspect.

And while it is valid to say "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (as the saying goes), absence of evidence is sufficient cause to establish reasonable doubt.

Tell me, and I'm skeptical. Show me, and I believe.

What's in the box?