Sometimes I think it's the NTs that have a problem, not us.

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I can't believe it's considered "typical" to be immature, ignorant, and superficial, and to have really bland "hobbies".

No one ever said being normal wasnt boring.

Of course all of us here realize that. But I'm tired of being considered weird by society just because I realize that there's nothing special about being "normal".

Yeah but you can either follow the sheeple or be considered weird and an outcast there is no other option and most of us dont have a choice.

Typical is defined by what most people are. Maybe you have found that many NTs in your experience are immature, ignorant, and superficial, but those traits are not associated with NT versus AS as far as I know. People engaging in smalltalk is almost painfully boring and fake to me, but I don't think that makes someone superficial unless that's ALL they ever talk about, which I don't think is the case with most NTs. As for immature and ignorant, that varies a lot from person to person. I certainly don't see an association between those and being NT.

As for NTs, it's pretty much a lose-lose situation for all of us. When we try to make friends, we make complete fools of ourselves. But when we decide to be loners and just keep to ourselves, it's lonely and depressing. I don't know which way to go. For the past few years, I've pretty much pretended that everyone at school is invisible, but it just makes school even more boring than it already is. If I try to make friends, maybe I'll make one or two, but I'm afraid that I'll do something really stupid and ruin it.

Beware reverse prejudice.

Feeling superior is not going to help us communicate any better with them--any more than an NT who feels superior to us will be able to communicate with us.

NTs are different--not inferior, handicapped, or ret*d. There are things that they have trouble with, but they are perfectly good Homo Sapiens who can overcome those difficulties; and there are things they are good at that can help them. NTs, compared to us, are practically telepathic when it comes to nonverbal communication and conveying emotions to others.

I think maybe you are just thinking of the worst-case scenario for an NT--an "immature, ignorant, superficial person with really bland hobbies"--and that not all NTs are quite this badly affected. Many--probably most, with the right attitude and perseverance--are quite capable of becoming mature, knowledgeable people who think rationally and don't feel compelled to follow the fads and popular whims of their society.

Many NTs are really interesting people, once you get past their differences and get to know them.

Callista, I would have to say that most NTs are ret*d, violent, social maladepts or want to be ret*d violent social maladepts. Look around at what they do, who they respect, what they watch on TV. They think of civil rights as the excuses that criminals use to commit crimes. They think that beating confessions out of people is the way to go. They went for the Inquisition as if it were the second coming of Christ and expect a creature called the "Antichrist" to come any minute and really hurt us. They don't understand what is wrong with someone they hurt when that someone is crying.

You can't just pidgeon hole all NT's as being shallow and boring like that. It's simply a matter of finding the right ones, which takes time, but once you're friends, you are friends for life.

If everyone around you is simply not that smart, try going somewhere a bit more exclusive.

I think some people here would like to blame all their problems on the wicket NT's, and revel in how superior they are to them. That's not a productive view to take, and it's quite naive.

Relax, guys. I'm not bigoted or anything.

I'll leave it to the scholars to argue about whether Solomon really wrote the Book of Proverbs. It's not my favorite anyway, but one line I remember. He said, "Among men, I found one in a thousand." Not too good of odds, depends on how hard you want to look, I guess. It's been my experience that people I get along with can pop up anywhere. Just not too often.

Solomon also said, "Among women, I never found any." That seems extreme to me, although there have been times I could relate. I don't know what was behind that in his case. I don't think he was an aspie, or everybody would have thought he was stupid, and we never would have heard of him.

Ok you guys have pointed out that there are a lot of bad people out there. That's not news. But you haven't convinced me that it's NTs in particular. I'm not convinced that aspies can't be bad as well. I wonder if you're just assuming that because most people are NTs, most of the bad people are NTs as well. True, but that doesn't mean much. It just means most people are NTs so most of the bad people will be NTs just due to statistics.

I'm sorry people. I had to delete a couple of messages of mine because I could (not) write them in a clear coherent style with a consistent thesis. Maybe I just can't write a book in a page and a half. Maybe I need an editor.

Anyway, I think that NTs really are closed and incomplete and the Aspies are at least the beginning of a kind of human that cannot be that way. In my own personal experiences I have found reasons to believe that there is something invincible inside me. I guess there has to be, but it's a very painful road to such a state without any apparent reward. I don't think that the NTs are providing legitimate conditioning of the soul, just pointless sadism and far too much destruction to be considered legitimate.

Last edited by Remnant on 15 Sep 2006, 8:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I agree with you, but there's not much we can do about it.

What's really pathetic from my point of view is that we have to defend ourselves for not beign superficial, boring, etc.

To overgeneralize I think statistically NTs may be more prone to being dull people compared to aspies simply because they havent had to endure the challenges most of us face on a daily basis.

An easy life creates a boring person.

You know who was an interesting person? William Freund. Peaceful sort of chap he was, too.