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09 Sep 2006, 6:49 pm

OKay I am getting tired of answering everybodys question on variuos ASD and ADHD issues so I will use this thread mainly in the future. What I will do is post things in a
random (ADHD like) way and let other people give there take on it. I plan for this to be the longerest thread in the history of the net so bare with me.

The artical abstract is of interest:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... s=16816230
Oh sombody tell me how to break this url in half so my post is not so wide.

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RESULTS: Patients with ADHD reported high novelty seeking and high harm avoidance. Patients with autism spectrum disorders reported low novelty seeking, low reward dependence, and high harm avoidance.

So what does that result mean?

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09 Sep 2006, 7:05 pm

It means that people with:
AS- don't seek external stimulus
Don't do things for praise
Avoid pain (don't we all?)

ADHD- do seek stimuli
Avoid pain (don't we all?)

Doesn't seem too deep or meaningful. I think we all could have figured it out in two seconds.

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09 Sep 2006, 7:11 pm

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Okay good(I'm not one of those two second people. ha,ha).

I need more help with what external stimulus is?(I mean a long list of things that I could
find in peoples post here to decide if they are primary ADHD or primary ASD).

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09 Sep 2006, 7:19 pm

Well, hyperactive people are stimulus seeking: that is, they look for things around them that will make something happen in their mind,
whether it's touching something and feeling it's texture,
or looking at something shiny or sth that moves,
or shaking something to make it make a noise,
or...
Wait a couple of minutes for me to think of more examples.
In the meantime this test by the BBC puts it pretty clearly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/ ... ndex.shtml

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09 Sep 2006, 7:32 pm

Do not forget Superfanastic that many people with ADHD do not have hyperactivity
(like myself Inattentive ADD / ADHD-I )

My next random thought is: People with ASD or ADHD can have major social skills
impairment. (and yes I know both ASD and ADHD are often comorbit we will get to that)

I assume a person with ADHD can over come social skills problems much easier than a
person with ASD.

How do social skills problems differ between the two DX? I mean a list of things that could be used to tell the difference.

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09 Sep 2006, 7:45 pm

superfantastic wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/ ... ndex.shtml

Necker Cube Experiment
Results

The cube flipped 2 times in 30 seconds.
The results of the personality test show you are an extravert

None of the questions were easy to answer. Infact most were impossible to answer
correctly. Result useless

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09 Sep 2006, 7:57 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:

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low reward dependence

So what does that result mean?

I interpret this to mean extrinsic as opposed to intrinsic rewards. I have always done things for the intrinsic rewards. It makes me not very responsive to behavioral learning techniques, not very interested in what a job pays, and different from most other people in this respect. This is what I mean when I say I’m very process oriented as opposed to goal oriented. Having what I wanted has never made me happy. Not having what I wanted has never made me unhappy, though not having what I needed has made me miserable. Being free to pursue my interests makes me happy. Not being free makes me unhappy. Are other aspies like this?

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09 Sep 2006, 8:22 pm

MrMark wrote:

Are other aspies like this?

Not sure my longest job was wroking for my father. I infact set my on pay low
(lowwer than my coworker). I worked for no pay many days on weekends. I worked over
time without pay till 9PM many times.(7:30 AM open time). I worked harder despite
ADHD than my coworkers. I was often the manager (my father was there a few hours aday and did little work!).

Thats why I did not finish college with a Chemistry degree. He had a heart attack while
I was in college and had lots of problems with workers (death, firings). So what turned out to be a temp thing turned into 8 years (all my college credit expired). Now its been
10 years since I left college. I thought to myself I will put my life on hold to help him.
I got the feeling he thought he was doing me a favor but I was doing him a favor in my
mind. We had an argument about my use of the bussiness during closing hours
(its something if he had not been family(or an a$$) would have cared less )
Instead of me standing up for my rights I just quit. Not spoke to him since then(18 months ago).

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09 Sep 2006, 8:26 pm

Mr.Mark....I dont know if this is the same thing,but.....

I like to hear people say I am doing a good job and that they appriciate my logic or compassion(traits I value)but I dont DO this things for the response from others...I do what I think is the "right" thing to do and would find it difficult or impossible to do them in a nonlogical and compassionate way(even if I am punished for doing them that way)....so,my motivation is internal recoginition.

I hate my job and hope to change it soon(do to stressers and senery overload)but I would not trade it for more money and status IF I had to trade my freetime that the job affords me.There is no "object" I want more then my free time to persue my area of interest.

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09 Sep 2006, 9:00 pm

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Mr.Mark....I dont know if this is the same thing,but.....

Yeah, it is.

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09 Sep 2006, 9:41 pm

Umm... so in the Necker cube experiment, I got 47 flips, which is off the scale, and "introvert".

Weird.

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09 Sep 2006, 11:28 pm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... s=16780292

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The first part of this review investigates how often Tourette syndrome (TS) is associated with ADHD and finds that ADHD has been reported in 35% to 90% of children with TS. The second part of the review looks at whether the ADHD seen in TS is the same as in children who do not have tics. Recent studies lead to the conclusion that the ADHD seen in TS is the same, although the attentional difficulties seen in TS are influenced also by the distraction of the tics themselves as well as by internal distractions such as is seen in comorbid anxiety or obsessive-compulsive behavior.

I thought this was interesting because it says people with tourettes often have
ADHD. Oh I saw another study that said ADHD and ASD are ofen comorbit to. I will
try to find that link.

Oh here is a link on the use of stimulant in people with ASD and ADHD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... s=16919137

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CONCLUSIONS: Both studies presented here support previous findings from smaller studies that show children with autism and ADHD can respond as well to stimulants as children with ADHD alone.

Cool this next abstract goes into the nitty gritty of seperating ADHD from ASD.
I will quote the entire abstract which I think can be done without copyright problems.

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Deficits in 'executive function' (EF) are characteristic of several clinical disorders, most notably Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) and Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). In this study, age- and IQ-matched groups with ASD, ADHD, or typical development (TD) were compared on a battery of EF tasks tapping three core domains: response selection/inhibition, flexibility, and planning/working memory. Relations between EF, age and everyday difficulties (rated by parents and teachers) were also examined. Both clinical groups showed significant EF impairments compared with TD peers. The ADHD group showed greater inhibitory problems on a Go-no-Go task, while the ASD group was significantly worse on response selection/monitoring in a cognitive estimates task. Age-related improvements were clearer in ASD and TD than in ADHD. At older (but not younger) ages, the ASD group outperformed the ADHD group, performing as well as the TD group on many EF measures. EF scores were related to specific aspects of communicative and social adaptation, and negatively correlated with hyperactivity in ASD and TD. Within the present groups, the overall findings suggested less severe and persistent EF deficits in ASD (including Asperger Syndrome) than in ADHD.

Oh TD = NT
Read the last line in that quote if you got ADHD your more screwed than just ASD alone. I guess if you got both your super screwed.

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10 Sep 2006, 12:48 am

MrMark wrote:

Being free to pursue my interests makes me happy. Not being free makes me unhappy. Are other aspies like this?

Absolutely. I'm finally doing something about it too. I decided a little while ago to sell my condo (my biggest money sink) and quit my job so I could do take time off and do some soul-searching and figure out what I really want to do, disregarding money. I'm giving up a pretty nice salary too.

However, since I just figured out that a lot of my stress at work is due to my attention span problems, I worry a little that I'm basing my decisions on misinformation, i.e. thinking I just don't feel motivated at this particular job. Now I'm pretty confident that my motivational issues are really chronic attention span issues that will follow me if I don't deal with them.

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12 Sep 2006, 12:16 am

My inattentive ADD has been bad lately . I'm trying to find the energy to post some more. I can not let my thread die

I guess people do not want to get into alot of technical information and/or their own
ADD is stopping them.

So lets come up with some simple ideas that would be helpfull.

hdsyeeujsddddddddddddddddddd---------------------------ah I give up\

RIP thread.

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12 Sep 2006, 12:20 am

I can handle small tasks just fine. Message boards are one of the distractions I use to procrastinate regarding many tasks. As writing goes, they feel kind of light and fluffy and therefore don't induce stress.

It's when I face a difficult or daunting task that my mind seems to want to wander away from it out of fatigue or something. Someone suggested I try to break up my book-- somehow make it feel more like a bunch of little tasks that I could tackle some of each day. Still, lately my attention problems are so bad that I can't even sit at my desk and stay focused on work for five minutes.

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12 Sep 2006, 2:27 am

(little help for machine1's thread extension from his nonADD family...)sooooo

does ADD also effect things you enjoy doing....I could spend 5 hours looking for agates on Lake Superior beach...I spent several days loading and editing 2000 songs on my computer from CD's
even though I know nothing about computers and am techno moron...I have no problem spending 10 hours on Wrong Planet...posting pointless egocentric musings(at least I am amused)....but when it comes to try and make sense of legal jargon,tech manuels(just give me the dang widget...I will find a place to put it)or cleaning my house ,I ah uhm...ahhh,,,look at the cute kitty...come here kitty...ah...oh ya...gotta put the tools away and oraga....oh,,,,look there is a beatle on the carpet...better put him outside,dont want the cats to get sick eating it...hum,wonder what kind ...better go look this one up...so
is this what its like?

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