ectasy (MDMA) and low funcitoning autism

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02 Oct 2011, 10:38 am

ethics aside, has anyone heard of people giving ectasy to kids/people with low functioning autism to see if it helps bring them up the spectrum?

there seems to be a link between ectasy and mirror neurons and heightened sensitivity after taking the drug (which i never have). maybe it would help for those on the lower end of the spectrum to help boost them along.. has that ever been tried?



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02 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

i'm not sure about the mirror neurons but from my expierence with mdma i don't get the idea that it is a beneficial substance for the power of the mind.



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02 Oct 2011, 12:03 pm

Yeah, it can fry your brain used long-term, and the side effects would be really unacceptable.

On top of that, I think you're forgetting that the main issue of autism isn't that autistic people are too introverted. Sure, MDMA would make them more extroverted; but it wouldn't do a thing about the fundamental sensory and information-processing differences in the brain. What you'd get, like you get with oxytocin, is an autistic who wants to hang out with people and trusts everybody, making him even more vulnerable to exploitation than before. You'd get rid of the fear of bullies while making him an even better bully target.


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02 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

I suspect that in the long term that MDMA use may lead to something horrible such as Parkinsons disease, I have heard that MDMA causes harm to the parts of the brain which make neurotransmitter chemicals. Not nice !


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02 Oct 2011, 1:36 pm

The idea of giving ecstasy to kids appals me!! !



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02 Oct 2011, 2:17 pm

this is just another way for the kkk to slowly kill autistic people without getting blamed for it.



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02 Oct 2011, 2:39 pm

I tried once, actually, your mind is very clear when you are under its influence, you just feel much much better in your body and you mind but your conscience is not really altered, which means that it doesn't get you out of asperger. This is my story, probably people could have other experience.

Anyway I don't recommend this product which is dangerous.



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02 Oct 2011, 3:41 pm

TheWingman wrote:
I tried once, actually, your mind is very clear when you are under its influence, you just feel much much better in your body and you mind but your conscience is not really altered, which means that it doesn't get you out of asperger. This is my story, probably people could have other experience.


did it change you afterwards? i've heard from NT friends their overall empathy level remained higher permanently after MDMA.

LittleBlackCat wrote:
The idea of giving ecstasy to kids appals me!! !


Unless it actually works.



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02 Oct 2011, 4:15 pm

your empathy level doesn't get permenantly higher trough mdma



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02 Oct 2011, 5:01 pm

guywithAS wrote:
TheWingman wrote:
I tried once, actually, your mind is very clear when you are under its influence, you just feel much much better in your body and you mind but your conscience is not really altered, which means that it doesn't get you out of asperger. This is my story, probably people could have other experience.


did it change you afterwards? i've heard from NT friends their overall empathy level remained higher permanently after MDMA.

LittleBlackCat wrote:
The idea of giving ecstasy to kids appals me!! !


Unless it actually works.


Possible unwanted side effects could include:

1. Increased blood pressure
2. Anxiety & panic attacks
3. Confused episodes, paranoia and psychotic states
4. Overheating & dehydration
5. Decreased urination leading to problems with salt balance
6. Liver, kidney and heart problems
7. Depression

It is not recommended for use by anyone with high blood pressure, epilepsy or asthma. (Source www.talktofrank.com)



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03 Oct 2011, 12:36 am

Woodpecker wrote:
I suspect that in the long term that MDMA use may lead to something horrible such as Parkinsons disease, I have heard that MDMA causes harm to the parts of the brain which make neurotransmitter chemicals. Not nice !
Yup. It forces the brain to overproduce them to the point of causing damage. Most occasional, recreational users don't get that effect; but if you were to use it regularly as part of some kind of therapeutic regimen, then that's exactly what you would get.


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03 Oct 2011, 7:59 am

I cannot speak directly for the effects of ecstasy because I have never taken it, however, in my last circle of friends they all enjoyed taking intestacy. After studying them while they were taking E. for a while, I noticed that they had heightened sensory input much akin to mine, minus the sensory overload. The engaged in stimming type behaviors, such as obsession of lights and touching, and especially tight hugs (proprioceptive input?) and other similarities that I have previously seen only in autists.

My conclusion is that one of the effects of ecstasy is increased sensory sensitivity.

Based on this only, my conclusion would be that for an individual with a hypersensitivity to sensory input, ecstasy would be a very bad idea.

However, in the case of an individual who is severely Hypo-sensitive, there may be some benefit.

As with ANY drug, the benefits of therapy versus drawbacks of side effects would have to be considered.

I would also assume that medicinal dosages would be less than recreational dosages.