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19 Sep 2006, 2:06 am

When somebody was suspecting that he had aspergers and was pretty sure about it and when went to a good specialist he didn't got diagnosis?


It just seems that everybody who is suspecting aspergers get diagnosis later. Is it that easy? And what if there is a lot of misdiagnosis as nt get as diagnosis?



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19 Sep 2006, 2:42 am

themonkey wrote:
When somebody was suspecting that he had aspergers and was pretty sure about it and when went to a good specialist he didn't got diagnosis?


It just seems that everybody who is suspecting aspergers get diagnosis later. Is it that easy? And what if there is a lot of misdiagnosis as nt get as diagnosis?


Yeah alot of aspies want it both ways. They want to tell people to get a DX from a
specialist but at the same time they say its not a disorder and do not try to cure it.

I answer it like this if your an adult its pointless to get an asperger DX. What seperates
a person with ASD , ADHD (much more common), social anxiety disorder (even more
common) is not enough to to warrent the time , money and effort to get a DX. Now
if you have a young kid it might be helpfull.



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19 Sep 2006, 3:51 am

I'm 56yo and on my way to a diagnosis. So far I've been seen by the community health centre, a family doc, and a committee of health workers including a psychiatrist. Next I have to go up to the loony bin (I'm on the waiting list).

What would a DX give me? Answers. Solutions. Ways to cope. Somebody to teach me social skills. A final answer on why people avoid me. I've been trying to act "normal" for 50 years and despising myself and being despised because I couldn't.

And now it looks like there's a neurological reason for the whole mess? And ways to cope, like weighted blankets and other stuff that I didn't know existed? YES. I want to know for sure and I want access to social skills training etc. Also, talk therapy costs a fortune - I want to stop spending money for things it can't help.



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19 Sep 2006, 4:42 am

I think you didn't understand what I was asking, but that is not suprise sinse my english is very bad :oops: :P

I was asking if nt can get aspergers diagnosis. Im just afraid that what if Im nt but if I go to specialist he will give me aspergers diagnosis.

Thanks :)



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19 Sep 2006, 5:22 am

Okay I read your old post your from Finland
(I will be nice since Finland kicked the USSR a$$ in WWII)

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I see you score 86 out of 200 on an online asperger test.

I got 182 out of 200 and I'm not 100% sure I have asperger.

Maybe you have ADHD/ADD and not aspergers?

No I doubt a specialist will miss diagnosis you as asperger.



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19 Sep 2006, 6:01 am

Well, I got my diagnosis last week and was disappointed.

"Narcissistic personality disorder with schizoid and schizotypal features"

That's ridiculous. People who know me IRL know that's ridiculous. Some people here know that's ridiculous. If that were an accurate diagnosis, one of the numerous other doctors I've seen would have caught it. Most of them put in the time to get to know me. I feel narcissistic sometimes because I'm far more interested in what goes on inside my own head than I am in listening to other people's chatter, but I'm far from self-absorbed and I'm very concerned with the welfare of others. Someone else here recently said she got a schizotypal diagnosis but that her doctor nevertheless believed she might have Asperger’s. I'm starting to suspect that schizoid personality and Asperger’s mimic each other in adults. I'm 48.

The guy who diagnosed me administered a bunch of "objective" tests and interviewed me for less than an hour. He specializes in diagnosing children. I think we don't yet know how to correctly diagnosis Asperger’s in adults. Judging by this site, it looks like previously undiagnosed people in there 40s and 50s are coming out of the woodwork. The medical community may have some catching up to do.

I think the best way for an adult to determine whether or not they have Asperger’s is to hang out on this site. If you repeatedly read other people telling your life story, then it doesn't matter if you actually have Asperger’s or not. You fit in here, and being here can help. If you grew up aspie without the benefit of diagnosis, you've probably already learned a lot of adaptive and maladaptive behaviors. No wonder people get misdiagnosed.


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19 Sep 2006, 6:21 am

Thanks for answering everybody:) My english is so poor that is better not to write too much. I understand thought almost everything:)



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19 Sep 2006, 10:04 am

MrMark wrote:
..... If you grew up aspie without the benefit of diagnosis, you've probably already learned a lot of adaptive and maladaptive behaviors. No wonder people get misdiagnosed.


I feel the same way. A diagnosis would be difficult in my case, too. I know too much, sort of.

My current plan is to try to unlearn many Junk Behaviors and False Work Arounds that I have been using most of my life. I honestly had no idea I was so obnoxious to people.


BTW themonkey,

Your English is wonderful. Please, continue to use it here.


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19 Sep 2006, 1:55 pm

MrMark.......

Did you read the article from Buzzle.com about Aspies being misdiagnosed with NarccissiticPD?(I would give you a link but I am a computer moron)I found the link on this site so you could do a search.

It seems "natural" to me that adult AS might tend toward Schizoid DX....as teen...I wanted friends and tried to fit in more...as an adult,I give up on this after repeated failures and realized that a lot of social interaction was empty and overrated..Even among NT adults there is less socializing then in younger days.When you work fulltime,you also have less freetime to pursue "interests"....if the choice is making meaningless small talk in a "social event" and pursueing interests....welll....It's not a hard choice to me.
On the other hand...we both spend alot of time being social on-line(on this site)we would hardly do that if we disliked,devalued,and had no need to feel conected to a "community".Did you "specialist" take that into account?

My DX process hasnt included any "testing"...it has been several 30min sessions asking me about childhood to adult traits related to AS.It is a long process but better suited to me then any of the "personality"type tests which I find frustrating and confussing.aA lot of the questions are abserd and illogical.



themonkey....I think the fact that many of the peopple who get AS DX is because,its expensive and time consuming...most people would not bother with it unless they related to many of the traits.I think its more likely to be underDX then overDXed in adults.


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19 Sep 2006, 2:03 pm

I'm a little confused about what you're asking, but it seems like you're either asking:
1) Are there people who have AS who get misdiagnosed as NT?
or
2) Are there people who are NT who go to an AS specialist who are diagnosed as AS?

In both cases, the answer is yes. There is a memeber here who recently said that they felt that the doctor had misdiagnosed them as having AS. And then of course, there are way more people here who feel that they have AS but their doctors say they don't.



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19 Sep 2006, 3:46 pm

Thanks DirtDawg for saying that:) but I think my english is still bad since people even don't get what Im asking for :oops: :?


My question is:

Can nt get as diagnosis?



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24 Sep 2006, 6:51 am

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MrMark.......

Did you read the article from Buzzle.com about Aspies being misdiagnosed with NarccissiticPD?(I would give you a link but.

Here it is: http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-11-2003-48500.asp


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24 Sep 2006, 7:04 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
I answer it like this if your an adult its pointless to get an asperger DX. What seperates
a person with ASD , ADHD (much more common), social anxiety disorder (even more
common) is not enough to to warrent the time , money and effort to get a DX. Now
if you have a young kid it might be helpfull.


you have a good point here, but to some extent it might depend upon where you live. being in the uk, where we have a free health service, i was diagnosed with as at 31, it cost me nothing in terms of money at least, and it has actually helped me in some ways. if nothing else, it puts a lot of things into perspective, and provided an explanation for things that until then i had put down to general weirdness/social ineptitude. it also seems to have helped me develop strategies for improving my social interaction and avoiding insulting people and suchlike. :D but then again it may depend on the individual i suppose.



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24 Sep 2006, 8:12 am

I got my diagnosis when I was 24 and was searching for medical treatment for my problems with focusing on studies. I first thought it must be a joke. Yes, I was different, but how could I have a "syndrom" not being intellectually ret*d? I'm still not quite sure that I'm not an NT with strong aspie traits, but I'm probably not.


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24 Sep 2006, 9:26 am

themonkey wrote:
Thanks DirtDawg for saying that:) but I think my english is still bad since people even don't get what Im asking for :oops: :?


My question is:

Can nt get as diagnosis?


I'm sorry for not responding to your question, but I don't have a decent answer for you. I was supporting MrMarks statement and hoping it might be relevant.

I certainly understand your question. My gut feeling is that in borderline cases, it is just as likely to misdiagnose positive or negative for many things. If that's true then does it really matter? ... unless you really need more treatment and that would keep you from presenting as a borderline case, I think.

Either way, the outward symptoms, such as depression or whatever would be treated separately and would be far easier to diagnose definitively.

Are you diagnosed with AS, but have a difficult time accepting it? That's kind of my point earlier. If you're older and have a full life of experiences to draw upon when you feel overwhelmed, that just might be "As Good As It Gets" as they say in the movies.


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