Everyone ELSE are liars, but WE'RE the suspects???

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You know what occurred to me lately? Our whole culture is full of liars, from top to bottom. (The people at the top set the tone, so who can blame those at the bottom? It's like children subconsciously mimicking their parents). Lying is apparently such an integral part of the culture that most people pick it up naturally and subconsciously at a young age and don't even realize how much they do it.

And so when an honest person (like someone on the spectrum) comes along, WE'RE the freaks, and seem like liars because we're actually honest.... does this make sense? I mean, I never even cheated in school - never cheated on a test, or paid someone to write a paper for me or any of that. I figured "I'd only be cheating myself - I need to actually learn this stuff". But I guess most kids cheat left and right?

I don't know. I'm so disgusted the more I learn about this world. People at the top lie and cheat and do all kinds of unethical things that cost millions of people their jobs, homes, savings, investments, mental health, divorce, suicide... not to mention soldiers dying or worse, getting messed up physically and/or mentally for the rest of their lives... and for god knows why? Who knows what the real reason is, beyond a vague "geopolitics", or maybe just "profit"? And these people get away with it! Once in a while they make a show of busting someone, who maybe pays a fine or something, maybe even a multimillion dollar fine, but they don't have to admit guilt, and are free to go right back to ripping off society to the tune of BILLIONS?

Yet when people like us have real problems, and seek help, there is no meaningful help (at least in my experience so far!) and instead we get treated with suspicion like we're liars or fraudsters...

Am I too pessimistic, or is this about right?

I believe it was on a different forum, a woman who had recently been diagnosed with Asperger's was reading the autobiography of a neurotypical man. She said that while she found it interesting, the one thing she couldn't relate to was his childhood experience of learning how to socially manipulate others to get his way. But it wasn't just manipulation, it was described as "socially-accepted" manipulation, wherein both parties know the BS song-and-dance routine and both agree to play it.

Example: a young girl who misbehaved is denied dessert by her mother. So she goes to her father with tears in her eyes and say, "daddy, mommy won't give me a cooking, but can I have one...pretty please?" And the father gives in. Both father and daughter know what's going on, and both play the game.

Back to the woman with AS. She said that when she recommended the book to her NT friends, the part about socially-accepted manipulation was the one thing they all identified with immediately, whereas she found the whole concept strange and unnatrual.

Every man is a liar. - David

So... Seeing as how every man is a liar, David's a liar too and so are we. Oh! Someone hits the cynicism scale! Up top! Lets be cynics together!

Even plants lie to manipulate. It's a fact of nature. Everyone has it and we don't. That's NOT the angering part. What's angering (at least to me) is that our neurology causes us to believe the shallow veneer of phony words every NT repeats mindlessly (which in itself is a big lie) that "lying is wrong". Ever since I discovered this, in my forties, and started lying remorselessly each time I have a chance to get my way if I lie, my life improved tremendously and I have a sense of power and freedom I had never even suspected existed. Eg: I've discovered that if I tell the same story to all the people who are influential in it, but different versions (lies) to each, I cause a misinformation situation by which I can get away with what I want from the story, with flying colors. I learned this from observing NTs do it to me. All this causes me to have no respect for humans, just use them as tools. I much prefer cats, whose manipulations and lies are so transparent and innocent they just endear them to me.

Yes, cats are cool - way better than dogs.

It's said that Aspies are somehow cat-like, whereas NT's are more dog-like. Seems right to me!

Extremely Interesting perspectives in here.

TheSunAlsoRises

I believe that people on the spectrum are not more honest then the rest.

Seriously, I don't know where this "honest autist" stereotype comes from.

You have a different perspective in life because of how you relate to, think of, and see the world.

The world want take this in consideration when dealing with you, even those who recognize this.

I remember reading something about John Elder Robison in Running with Scissors, his brother said that John would give anyone a chance, animals loved him because they perceived him as being truly good. He said his brother would give anyone a chance until you bit him and then he did not come around you, anymore.

Neurological differences.

I think many people on the spectrum are like this. People brush it off as being part of Black and White thinking, being self-fish, or being unable to see the bigger picture.

But,

You have to decide for yourselves.

TheSunAlsoRises

Heck, even my dog lies to me. She will go in the house sometimes or otherwise misbehave. She will then go get her stuffed Puppy and put it next to the mess as if to say it was her puppy that did it not her. Like I would believe a stuffed puppy made the mess. LOL.