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TPE2
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11 Aug 2011, 7:43 pm

Sometimes, there are threads in this forum about the issue "the best country for an aspie" or "the best culture for an aspie".

Thinking about the issue, I think that will very difficult to find a culture good for aspies, because there is latent opposition between two typical aspie traits - "social eccentricity" and "need for routine". But my "social eccentricity" is your "unpredicted change of routine". This mean that societies that tolerate a great degree of variance in behaviour and are tolerant of eccentricity wil be also societies with low order, predictability and routine; and ordered, punctual, etc. societies are usually societies where individual eccentricity is not tolerated (about the fascination with Japan than many people have at WP - do you really want to live in a country where "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down"?).

[Btw, other implication of that is that, even if everybody had an ASD, life will not necessary be better for autistics - imagine people with strong sensory issues and people with intense stimms working together in the same room.]

Returning to the question of different cultures, let's put it in other way - in very formal cultures, it is more easy to know how to "do the right thing", but if you fail to do that, will be subjected to big social reprobation; in contrast, in more "loose" cultures your social "faux pas" will looked with more toleration, but probably you will make much more of them (because the social rules are less explicit). And I think that there is no escape for this trade-off.

Personally, I choose "loose" societies, but this is simply a matter of personal taste



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11 Aug 2011, 7:45 pm

TPE2 wrote:
[Btw, other implication of that is that, even if everybody had an ASD, life will not necessary be better for autistics - imagine people with strong sensory issues and people with intense stimms working together in the same room.]


I just want to point out that, in an autistic society, chances are nobody would be working together in the same room.


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11 Aug 2011, 7:52 pm

SammichEater wrote:
TPE2 wrote:
[Btw, other implication of that is that, even if everybody had an ASD, life will not necessary be better for autistics - imagine people with strong sensory issues and people with intense stimms working together in the same room.]


I just want to point out that, in an autistic society, chances are nobody would be working together in the same room.


Good point.



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11 Aug 2011, 8:58 pm

What about the culture of the internet?



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11 Aug 2011, 9:37 pm

Scandium wrote:
What about the culture of the internet?


Your on to something! :wink: Places like WP are probably the biggest 'gathering' of autistic people.


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11 Aug 2011, 10:08 pm

Nerd/ geek cultures are good. Not sure what country would suit an aspie though



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11 Aug 2011, 10:18 pm

I feel that a culture that's good for aspies would be a culture of acceptance and not a culture of cure.


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11 Aug 2011, 10:35 pm

Yoghurt.

It has lots of culture.

;)



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11 Aug 2011, 10:36 pm

Fnord wrote:
Yoghurt.

It has lots of culture.

;)


You made my day :)



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11 Aug 2011, 11:03 pm

Ashuahhe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Yoghurt.

It has lots of culture.

;)


You made my day :)

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12 Aug 2011, 12:00 am

Fnord wrote:
Yoghurt.

It has lots of culture.

;)


Try to be a bit more hilarious, will ya? :lol:


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12 Aug 2011, 2:34 am

(Back to the subject :P )

I wondered how autistics would make a society if they were the only population. Development, structure, order all need strong organizing skills and commitment. Solitary attitude does not really support them. We would rely on some outer system that'd present us those things. Robots, an alien species, NT volunteers etc.


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12 Aug 2011, 3:04 am

One with plenty of soft armchairs and big, hard books.



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12 Aug 2011, 5:46 am

SammichEater wrote:
TPE2 wrote:
[Btw, other implication of that is that, even if everybody had an ASD, life will not necessary be better for autistics - imagine people with strong sensory issues and people with intense stimms working together in the same room.]


I just want to point out that, in an autistic society, chances are nobody would be working together in the same room.

Dunno.....I'd hate to spend the rest of my life alone. I'm quite happy to work in the same room as other people, as long as they're reasonably quiet and non-invasive. Working together is admittedly a lot more difficult for us than for NTs, but as long as the parts of the work are divided up carefully between the people, with minimal "cross-involvement" in each other's tasks, I think it could work quite well. We'd probably try to explain things clearly to each other, instead of all these NT half-explanations, nods and winks.



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12 Aug 2011, 6:24 am

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We'd probably try to explain things clearly to each other, instead of all these NT half-explanations, nods and winks.


You're forgetting that the ASD world is every bit as diverse as the 'NT' world though, and some people would need this nods, winks and don't mind half-explanations as they get the overall gist of what's being said. Also, even some autistic people need to communicate and have human contact. I'd hate to be seen as little more than an inhuman object.



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12 Aug 2011, 8:23 am

Tequila wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
We'd probably try to explain things clearly to each other, instead of all these NT half-explanations, nods and winks.


You're forgetting that the ASD world is every bit as diverse as the 'NT' world though, and some people would need this nods, winks and don't mind half-explanations as they get the overall gist of what's being said. Also, even some autistic people need to communicate and have human contact. I'd hate to be seen as little more than an inhuman object.

I hadn't forgotten. I don't see how the fuzzy edges of AS would change the validity of what I said.

I can't quite work out whether you're arguing "yes" or "no" to the OP's question. Seems to be one of each, but as they're connected by "also," I'm not so sure.