Asperger Radicals welcome

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Its very interesting reading some posts that are very focused on social change in our favour....This i am interested in. People with AS that are bored of the constant mindless "chit-chat" of everyday problems we are faced when it comes to social interaction, understanding, relationships etc.......Yes "we" have those problems but they will never go away so what is wrong in trying to stand up for our disposition.
Im calling for a unification of all AR`s(Asperger Radicals), those that are not affried to say they will stand up for what they believe, those that realise we are very special people and that we also need to prve to people that we are NOT to be underestimated, and NO i am not and never will be joking

Alex(uk)

You know, making a few minor changes on our behalf wouldn't be a bad idea, and I could even see myself supporting a NAAAP (National Association for the Advancement of Autistic Persons), but that's as far as I'd want to go.

Yeah I tend to draw the line at bloody jihads so Ill support awareness efforts and movements to get us a little respect and consideration but no violence please

My main pet peeve is we work our asses off mentally to cater to and compensate for NTs shortcomings and strange rituals but they never try to meet us halfway and understand us much less have some consideration for our "quirks".

Whats the point in trying to make people understand us, they never will. Awareness just means "LOOK AT ME IM A GEEK" but im more for "YOUR BRAIN DEAD IM NOT HAHA"
kind of.....

So not being a p**** makes you a radical?

I think we have a winner in the "Pick a motto for the NAAAP" contest

Or it could be ...

"I will not be pushed,
filed, stamped, indexed,
briefed, de-briefed or
NUMBERED!! My life is my own......"

Maybe we just need to expand awareness to help aspies fit in better with the majority.

How about a "Take somebody you don't like to lunch" campaign?

OP ED

I am not afraid to say I will stand up for what I believe. I realize that we are very special people, but I also realize that they are very special people too. I am routinely underestimated and I like it. It gives me an advantage.



Bull****.



A motto like that is not going to generate a lot of understanding and sympathy for your cause.



I am not a number, I am a free man?

I'm all for recognition of "Neurotypical Syndrome." Those poor, limited, dysfunctional, not-too-bright misfits need sympathy and lots of therapy and drugs so they can learn to pretend to be like us.

Actually, I'm not really joking. I get very, very tired of people with low IQs and rigid, stereotypical "in the box" herd thinking who decide that THEY are NORMAL and anybody who differs from them is SUBnormal, i.e., less than them. BS.

The shrinks are totally into labels and manipulation. They set themselves up as the standard, although they're mostly mental themselves and folks who couldn't make it in any real medical specialty or who are just power freaks. Then they want to make everyone else like them so they won't have to feel inferior. No thanks, that would be a big step down, and I don't need it.

They're running a damned if you do, damned if you don't show, where EVERYTHING is our fault. They say we're dysfunctional and damaged because we don't understand how they think and what their social signals are. But when they can't understand how we think or what our social signals are, they say that's our fault, too, because we don't know how to communicate. Any of us can see the lack of logic right away, but not them. I'm just tired of it.

So, yeah, I'm all for standing up for ourselves, and even more for our younger brothers and sisters who can't yet fight for themselves and are under the thumbs of all these "mental hellth" wackos who tell them they're screwed up. Most of those kids are light years ahead of the shrinks, but they don't know it. They need to be protected and nurtured, not beaten into the NT box.

Pant, pant, pant! End of rant.

I'm not likely to be part of anything where "people with low IQs" are deemed inferior. Which is probably why I get along better in disability rights settings with several kinds of disabled people involved, rather than ones that are primarily one group of disabled people who are convinced that they and they alone among all disabled people are "not really disabled" and that they and they alone (but not Those Other People) are superior in some way.

I've seen pretty much every group of disabled people put down (explicitly or implicitly) just about every other group of disabled people, and think it would make more sense to work together and figure things out that way, than to continually have these particular little groups of people with politics distorted to suit their own agenda and few others'.

Hmmm, I guess I wasn't clear.

Ambuend:

Neurotypical Syndrome, etc., was an attempt to turn the tables, i.e., we can just as easily take ourselves as the norm and label them, etc. Neither is desirable, but both are equally (in)valid.

And the "low IQs" was decidedly NOT aimed at other "disabled" people (I don't consider myself disabled). I was talking about the NTs, specifically shrinks, who consider US inferior simply because we're not like them and they can't understand us. The ones who do that seem to tend to be those who are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

If that's still not clear, I give up.

I know what neurotypical syndrome is, I've written articles for ISNT.

"Low IQs" alludes to certain people's unsuitability for deciding certain things about the world (on the basis of certain prejudices about what IQ means, among other things), rather than alluding to the wrongness of what they have decided. (I would agree that deciding we are inferior is wrong, but I would totally disagree that decisions like that have anything to do with IQ. Plenty of people with high IQs have ideas that they are superior, and plenty of people with low IQs -- very low ones, not just sort-of-low ones, at that -- have decent ideas about equality, it just depends on the person.)

It may be in your case a reference to people with IQs in the "low normal" range, but think about what statements like that might mean to someone with an intellectual disability. (Or for that matter to people with IQs in the "low normal" range.)

Sigh.

That's a rather bizarre twist of what I wrote, but to each his/her own windmills to tilt at.

I stand by what I wrote. I think my actual, intended meaning is clear, especially with the second, clarifying post.

People can read into it whatever they wish.

Peace, respect, and good will to all and sundry.

I think that some people are better than others.


But it has little or anything to do with labels. And I don't think that just because someone is 'inferior' that it gives anyone the right to be a complete bastard to them.

Humanity is a vast, and complicated state. Let's not do it the disservice of pretending it isn't.

There is always room for improvement, and we should encourage each other to do so, rather than trying to keep everyone else down.


So yeah, I'm all for an Asperger's movement. But I know that NTs play an important part too. It seems to me that we have a specialized skill set. We are not better we are better at some things. For those "other things", there may well be other neurologies suited to it.

Remember that human beings are social animals. The idea that within ourselves different approaches to problem solving evolved is not an unreasonable idea.


I think that all people with disabilities (or supposed disabilites) should be treated better, and allowed to accomplish more. It should make those twits that yell and scream and complain about welfare/disability happy because people would be more productive, but it won't. (So we shouldn't take them seriously, not that I do)

We need a movement like this more than many groups though.

What do you mean by this? You really aren't clear. Tell us specifically what actions you would take.