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28 Dec 2011, 1:49 pm

Ok so in an attempt to question my invalid self diagnoses..........I figured I would start a thread about other disorders that start in childhood that might get confused with Autism and Aspergers. So what other mental disorders starting in childhood make it obvious to others there is something 'off' or 'different' about the individual who has it. I know ADHD or ADD could be possible alternatives but having gone over the symptoms of those the AS seems to be a much better match for me. Other then that i have considered personality disorders though those do not typically show themselves in childhood.

So yeah not sure the exact point of this but i thought it could be intresting.


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28 Dec 2011, 1:55 pm

ADHD. Dyslexia. Dyspraxia. Semantic-Pragmatic Speech Disorder. Sensory Processing Disorder. Nonverbal Learning Disability. Central Auditory Processing Disorder. Social Anxiety. Generalized anxiety disorder. depression. Traumatic brain injury. birth injuries. mental retardation. Early onset bipolar disorder. No doubt there are more. That's off the top of my head.

I forgot to mention the profoundly gifted. They often have sensory issues and are sometimes misdiagnosed as autistic.


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28 Dec 2011, 2:04 pm

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ADHD. Dyslexia. Dyspraxia. Semantic-Pragmatic Speech Disorder. Sensory Processing Disorder. Nonverbal Learning Disability. Central Auditory Processing Disorder. Social Anxiety. Generalized anxiety disorder. depression. Traumatic brain injury. birth injuries. mental retardation. Early onset bipolar disorder. No doubt there are more. That's off the top of my head.


Which of those are the most simular to AS though?........I think I can rule out mental retardation, Nonverbal Learning disability(unless being terrible at math counts.) and early onset bipolar disorder and Dyslexia.

I have both generalized anxiety disorder and depression and have since childhood, but those do not explain all my symptoms and are common co-morbids of AS so they don't rule it out. I am pretty sure I did not suffer any early tramatic brain injuries but I am not 100% sure and I know I had a lack of oxegen at birth but I am not sure that qualifies as a birth injury.

As for social anxiety I cannot rule out that I might have some symptoms of it, however I think that came after my initial social difficulties and how people reacted to me rather then social anxiety causing me to act weird in social interactions. I mean when at an early age you're trying to interact with people but are missing some of the social cues and people pick on you for it. Its likely you might develop a bit of social anxiety as it would make you afriad people might pick on you, bully you or otherwise mistreat you if you express yourself.

I am not quite sure what Dyspraxia, Semantic-Pragmatic Speech Disorder or Central Auditory Processing Disorder are however.


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28 Dec 2011, 2:38 pm

Hypoxia (lack of oxygen) at birth certainly can cause brain damage. It's one of many possible birth injuries.

Dyspraxia is difficulty in planning movements. In a very brief nutshell. Central Auditory Processing Disorder is a neurological disorder in which the person's physical hearing is fine but the brain doesn't process what it hears. It can cause some difficulties with language and social functioning. I have some of this. I might hear the noise when you say something but it may not jell into actual meaningful speech right away or ever. Semantic-Pragmatic Speech disorder is simply difficulty speaking and understanding social language.

There are a whole lot of things that can look like autism or are comorbid with autism. There is a book called "The Mislabeled Child" that could be helpful.

There are lots of names for varying neurological weirdnesses. Put enough of them together and you've got autism. Add some and you have a comorbidity. One diagnostician can take the exact same set of symptoms and give it one name while another equally qualified diagnostician could take those symptoms and give it another name. There's nothing precise or magical about it. I hope that diagnosis will become more precise as research uncovers the actual neurological markers.


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28 Dec 2011, 2:52 pm

Oppositional defiant Disorder

Body movement disorder

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Cluttering Disorder

Seizure Disorder

Hyperlexia

Giftedness

Deafness (this can cause autistic behavior depending on how young the child is when they lost their hearing or if they were born deaf)

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28 Dec 2011, 2:53 pm

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Hypoxia (lack of oxygen) at birth certainly can cause brain damage. It's one of many possible birth injuries.

Dyspraxia is difficulty in planning movements. In a very brief nutshell. Central Auditory Processing Disorder is a neurological disorder in which the person's physical hearing is fine but the brain doesn't process what it hears. It can cause some difficulties with language and social functioning. I have some of this. I might hear the noise when you say something but it may not jell into actual meaningful speech right away or ever. Semantic-Pragmatic Speech disorder is simply difficulty speaking and understanding social language.

There are a whole lot of things that can look like autism or are comorbid with autism. There is a book called "The Mislabeled Child" that could be helpful.

There are lots of names for varying neurological weirdnesses. Put enough of them together and you've got autism. Add some and you have a comorbidity. One diagnostician can take the exact same set of symptoms and give it one name while another equally qualified diagnostician could take those symptoms and give it another name. There's nothing precise or magical about it. I hope that diagnosis will become more precise as research uncovers the actual neurological markers.


Hmm I might want to check that book out.......even though I decided to quit going to college I still find psychology facinating in general. but yeah its quite possible the same set of symptoms could have different causes that might not be apparent to every diagnostician. It would seem even the professionals don't know it all which really only confirms what I've learned during my time studying psychology in college.

I also think I've read somewhere that its possible lack of oxegen at birth can contribute to AS, but that does not seem to quite match up to the idea that people are just born with it........so I am not quite sure what to think of that. It is also possible the lack of oxegen caused some problems that resemble AS but aren't.


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28 Dec 2011, 3:07 pm

It depends on the specifics of your autistic traits. If you have strong traits across the criteria, then you are most likely to be autistic. If you have strong traits in one or two related criteria, e.g. social, and weak in another area, e.g. repetitive behaviors, then other disorders may explain those traits in the absence of autism. An NT child who is gifted and socially isolated as a result could be slow to develop social skills and pursue special interests instead or prefer to pursue special interests in the first place. This child would probably grow up into an adult who does understand NT ToM, however. An autistic child who appears similar may grow up into an adult who is completely clueless about NT ToM and has no idea that non-verbal cues mean anything. So many factors to consider when trying to figure out a person's lifetime development.



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28 Dec 2011, 3:14 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
It depends on the specifics of your autistic traits. If you have strong traits across the criteria, then you are most likely to be autistic. If you have strong traits in one or two related criteria, e.g. social, and weak in another area, e.g. repetitive behaviors, then other disorders may explain those traits in the absence of autism. An NT child who is gifted and socially isolated as a result could be slow to develop social skills and pursue special interests instead or prefer to pursue special interests in the first place. This child would probably grow up into an adult who does understand NT ToM, however. An autistic child who appears similar may grow up into an adult who is completely clueless about NT ToM and has no idea that non-verbal cues mean anything. So many factors to consider when trying to figure out a person's lifetime development.


Well I feel the main reason I was socially isolated is because I did not interact normally to begin with so I came of as weird or different which caused people to react negatively.....this was at an early age so yeah I ended up rather socially isolated because of whatever it was that was different about me to cause the negative reactions. As for being gifted I would like to think I'm just gifted and that explains the weirdness........but I don't think I'm gifted as far as I can tell I don't have any special gifts.

I think as a child I had more repetive behavior, now the only thing I really notice I have is some repetitive stims....but I am not sure if that counts as a full behavior. Also I don't feel like I am slower at developing social skills.........I feel like my brain does not work in such a way I can develop normal social skills in the first place. But yes there is lots to consider.


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28 Dec 2011, 3:30 pm

Many of the childhood disorders mentioned don't rule out AS or HFA, in fact having the disorder actually increases the possibility of being on the autism spectrum. Especially in the case of ad(h)d, tourette's, ocd and asperger, if you have one of the conditions, chances are really big that you at least have traits of the other three. I myself have bot AS and add.



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28 Dec 2011, 4:41 pm

> I am pretty sure I did not suffer any early tramatic brain injuries but I am not 100% sure and I know I had a lack of oxegen at birth but I am not sure that qualifies as a birth injury.

As for whether or not a birth injury took place, I'll leave that to the attorneys in the house. But I, too, was 'blue' (lack of oxygen at birth). I wonder if there's some kind of correlation there?

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28 Dec 2011, 9:47 pm

Unfortunately it can be hard to diagnose a PDD / autism spectrum disorder when you're older if it's a mild case. The clinical symptoms are usually much more obvious in the early years, 3-6 years old, as there's a marked delay in the development of normal age-appropriate social behaviors. When someone gets older it might start appearing more like you just have an odd or quiet personality which isn't enough to meet the criteria. A genetic test would be nice but I don't see that happening any time soon. Your best bet for knowing would be based on your parent's recollection, unfortunately.

I know I wasn't self-aware enough to know what my social issues were at a young age. All I knew was that the adults saw that I had problems, put me in a special resource room for part of the school day, and had me see psychologists all the time. It wasn't until about 4th grade that I began to notice how different I was, but it seemed more that I was extremely quiet around anyone that wasn't one of my few friends, and I was picked on for not being talkative enough. Some asshat kids knew that I was easily emotionally overloaded and couldn't handle their teasing and they would intentionally push me over the edge. I also remember that I occasionally flipped out and physically attacked people. I still have issues with becoming overwhelmed with emotions and feeling violent which is an issue that seems somewhat related to autism but on the other hand it doesn't completely explain it as not everyone on the autism spectrum has this issue.



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28 Dec 2011, 9:53 pm

marshall wrote:
Unfortunately it can be hard to diagnose a PDD / autism spectrum disorder when you're older if it's a mild case. The clinical symptoms are usually much more obvious in the early years, 3-6 years old, as there's a marked delay in the development of normal age-appropriate social behaviors. When someone gets older it might start appearing more like you just have an odd or quiet personality which isn't enough to meet the criteria. A genetic test would be nice but I don't see that happening any time soon. Your best bet for knowing would be based on your parent's recollection, unfortunately.

I know I wasn't self-aware enough to know what my social issues were at a young age. All I knew was that the adults saw that I had problems, put me in a special resource room for part of the school day, and had me see psychologists all the time. It wasn't until about 4th grade that I began to notice how different I was, but it seemed more that I was extremely quiet around anyone that wasn't one of my few friends, and I was picked on for not being talkative enough. Some asshat kids knew that I was easily emotionally overloaded and couldn't handle their teasing and they would intentionally push me over the edge. I also remember that I occasionally flipped out and physically attacked people. I still have issues with becoming overwhelmed with emotions and feeling violent which is an issue that seems somewhat related to autism but on the other hand it doesn't completely explain it as not everyone on the autism spectrum has this issue.


Well its more than odd and quiet trust me, if anything getting older has just made it obvious there is more too it then that......but a lot of stuff from when I was younger that I remember and my parents remember fits the Aspergers criteria quite well, some things just aren't as much of a problem now as they where when I was a child......and some things are even more of a problem now.

I did not always know what my issues where at a young age but it was pretty obvious the other kids at school did not like me very much, so yeah I was not ignorant of the fact they didn't like me and picked on me. It seemed like it was very entertaining for them when I had too much of being picked on and would get upset about it.


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28 Dec 2011, 10:55 pm

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Well its more than odd and quiet trust me, if anything getting older has just made it obvious there is more too it then that......but a lot of stuff from when I was younger that I remember and my parents remember fits the Aspergers criteria quite well, some things just aren't as much of a problem now as they where when I was a child......and some things are even more of a problem now.

I feel the same way but it's difficult to explain to someone else from my perspective. In some ways it's even harder for me to feel connected to other people now than it was when I was a kid. It seems the older you get the more you're expected to act, follow social rituals, and hide your true feelings when interacting with others. It gets harder. Most interaction in adult society is quite superficial. This can be extremely grueling if you feel depressed more often than not and feel as if you have to hide it and wear a plastic smile.

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I did not always know what my issues where at a young age but it was pretty obvious the other kids at school did not like me very much, so yeah I was not ignorant of the fact they didn't like me and picked on me. It seemed like it was very entertaining for them when I had too much of being picked on and would get upset about it.

Girls may be worse than boys in terms of forming cliques and rejecting those who don't fit in at an earlier age. I think in 2nd and 3rd grade kids were not nasty to me but kind of patronized me because they knew I spent part of the day in the resource room. I felt like I was treated like an idiot by other kids and teachers alike but I was sheltered from bullying. I noticed kids being nastier in 4th and 5th grade when I was no longer in any kind of "special" program. That's when I became wary and stopped talking to anyone but the few long term friends I had who were my neighbors that I hung out with after school.



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29 Dec 2011, 12:36 am

SylviaLynn wrote:
Central Auditory Processing Disorder is a neurological disorder in which the person's physical hearing is fine but the brain doesn't process what it hears. It can cause some difficulties with language and social functioning. I have some of this. I might hear the noise when you say something but it may not jell into actual meaningful speech right away or ever.


I have a big problem with this. I thought it was just part of my ADHD, I didn't know it was a separate disorder on its own.

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ItAn NT child who is gifted and socially isolated as a result could be slow to develop social skills and pursue special interests instead or prefer to pursue special interests in the first place. This child would probably grow up into an adult who does understand NT ToM, however. An autistic child who appears similar may grow up into an adult who is completely clueless about NT ToM and has no idea that non-verbal cues mean anything.


This is something I'm trying to sort out as I was gifted and also somewhat socially isolated. I grew up in a rural area, an only child. There were no kids nearby to play with or hang out with. Before I started school I hardly ever even played with other kids. In school I was set apart from the other kids and treated different because of my giftedness.