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25 Jan 2012, 9:15 pm

Although I do not hate NT's or regard them as inferior (that would be hypocritical) I think I am able to say with reasonable credibility that Aspies are generally more logical than NT's and that NT's are generally more sociable and can communicate better. That's pretty reasonable right?

Anyways I wondering who can list many things that NT's do that seem illogical to us Aspies

1) This is my biggest one - "everyone else is doing it" - having sex, trying drugs, skipping school - I know there's peer pressure, but ultimately you make your own choices and you suffer the consequences..

2) Lying to gain short term benefits, short-lived thrills are not worth it.

I could go on but I want your input :D



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25 Jan 2012, 11:49 pm

Some NTs are more logical than aspies and some aspies are less logical than NTs.

You can't speak for all NTs or aspies. These sort of threads are good at segregating aspies.
I am getting tired of NT vs Aspie threads.


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25 Jan 2012, 11:55 pm

I agree that these topics are kinda annoying.

I think very logically. I also will lie for short term benefits.

There is no clear cut line between autism and NT.

There is NT..............whatever you consider a sever form of autism.

You could be considered NT with some quirks, or Slightly Autistic or aspergers, or have autism.

There is no clear cut line, if there were then logically these types of topics would make sense



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26 Jan 2012, 1:36 am

How about "illogical things that people do?"



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26 Jan 2012, 1:54 am

layla87 wrote:
Although I do not hate NT's or regard them as inferior (that would be hypocritical) I think I am able to say with reasonable credibility that Aspies are generally more logical than NT's and that NT's are generally more sociable and can communicate better. That's pretty reasonable right?

Anyways I wondering who can list many things that NT's do that seem illogical to us Aspies

1) This is my biggest one - "everyone else is doing it" - having sex, trying drugs, skipping school - I know there's peer pressure, but ultimately you make your own choices and you suffer the consequences..

2) Lying to gain short term benefits, short-lived thrills are not worth it.

I could go on but I want your input :D


Certainly;
    Aspies have sex
    Aspies try drugs
    Aspies skip school
    Aspies make choices
    Aspies suffer consequences

    Aspies are also capable of lying
    Aspies are capable of short-lived thrills

    So what exactly is your purpose of posting this ?


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26 Jan 2012, 2:53 am

Alexender wrote:
There is no clear cut line, if there were then logically these types of topics would make sense

If there were no clear cut line aspergers would be undiagnosable.



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26 Jan 2012, 3:02 am

So scientifically scientists can find a difference in someones brain that is NT compared to having AS?

I did find an article that Temple Grandin wrote on how someone with AS had some portion of the brain that is smaller or larger (don't remember which) than an NT.

BUT she also stated how there was not clear cut difference. She went on to ask how big of a difference would there have to be until someone has AS compared to being NT.

Edit: http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail.aspx?id=2312

This is the link that had it, but the article is long, the information I was going off of is towards the end



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26 Jan 2012, 3:22 am

Burzum wrote:
Alexender wrote:
There is no clear cut line, if there were then logically these types of topics would make sense

If there were no clear cut line aspergers would be undiagnosable.


Well, the line fades into the undiagnosable broader autism phenotypes zone, as traits of it, but showing an absence of a clinical impairment.

And this simplification may apply here ( I don't see why not): One: Introverts represent a significant majority of the spectrum--- and all introverts think/ reflect "more" ( according to Jung). Introverts only represent a minority in the general population.

Two: In the context of "logic," and introversion, I think of cognitive ability aka IQ or intelligence is playing a factor in here. In terms of numbers, endowed high cognitive Introverts outstrip and double their counterparts.

Three: In general, I believe there may be more logic as showed, because of practice, to practice logic to bridge the social confusion. Sink or swim, and the cognitive muscle hypertrophies by this use.

Thoughts ?



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26 Jan 2012, 8:15 am

^^
Sounds Logical

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26 Jan 2012, 9:39 am

artrat wrote:
Some NTs are more logical than aspies and some aspies are less logical than NTs.

You can't speak for all NTs or aspies. These sort of threads are good at segregating aspies.
I am getting tired of NT vs Aspie threads.


Me too. Everybody thinks logically to a certain extent. Aspies can think illogically to a certain extent.

I know conformism and competing has got a bit out of hand with people, and it's illogical when people are quick to judge someone else's differences instead of stopping to think of possible reasons as to why they might be different. That is where NTs lack empathy too.


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26 Jan 2012, 4:14 pm

I know of at least one stufy that suggested that when it came to logic, people with aspergers were more likely to take logical steps that were difficult for the tester to comprehend, and were less likely to have teleological thinking - believeing occurances have magical or grand meaning, someone with telelogical thinking might pray for rain and when it starts raining, they believe God did it, as opposed to a coincedence, Or they might have a strong believe in luck.

This lack of teleological thinking in aspies explains the high occurance of atheism, they're corrolated, but for different reasons: atheists deny teleology, autistics often arn't aware of it.


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26 Jan 2012, 10:54 pm

artrat wrote:
Some NTs are more logical than aspies and some aspies are less logical than NTs.

You can't speak for all NTs or aspies. These sort of threads are good at segregating aspies.
I am getting tired of NT vs Aspie threads.


This^

Aspies and NTs are so diverse that there is no way to find illogical behaviors that are specifically "Aspie" or "NT."



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27 Jan 2012, 12:06 am

layla87 wrote:
Although I do not hate NT's or regard them as inferior (that would be hypocritical) I think I am able to say with reasonable credibility that Aspies are generally more logical than NT's and that NT's are generally more sociable and can communicate better. That's pretty reasonable right?

Anyways I wondering who can list many things that NT's do that seem illogical to us Aspies

1) This is my biggest one - "everyone else is doing it" - having sex, trying drugs, skipping school - I know there's peer pressure, but ultimately you make your own choices and you suffer the consequences..


It makes a lot of sense as aspies are more into following structure, especially morality and laws. When you think about it, if anyone does the following actities you said in 1) here's the real question: What if you get caught? Those peers won't be there for you if you get caught.



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27 Jan 2012, 12:28 am

You know it's like a toss of a coin that decides whether or not a thread becomes an NT "us and them" thing, and you've all outdone yourselves today.


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