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HellRazzer7878
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15 Feb 2012, 3:50 pm

What do you guys think? I have been diagnosed for many years now and I am soon to be 22 in March, unemployed, still living with mother, not much going on. I am single with no girlfriend, I don't do much all day except use the computer or maybe read. I am in good shape and I do go to the gym every now and then.

I have come a long way as for as social skills and I have tried to understand cues a little better.

Have any Aspies been in the Military before? What's it like? I was thinking the structured enviorment might be a welcomed change for me. I was mainly focusing on the Navy.

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15 Feb 2012, 3:53 pm

Some pros:

Their'll be structure, support, order

cons:

to many to list, it's hell for people who already have good coping mechanisms, I don't know what happens to people with terrible ones.


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15 Feb 2012, 4:58 pm

I was in the army active duty for 5 years and am in the reserves now. I'll tell you what I'd tell any young man, Aspie or no: Don't do it just for "A job" or "Something to do." Do it because it's something you really want; to challenge yourself, serve your country and see things you'd never see otherwise. Yes, there is a lot of structure, but there is also a LOT of social interaction and little tolerance for mistakes. For myself, I'm glad I did it and proud to have served my country, but if I knew what basic training would be like, I'm not sure I would have gone through with it.


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15 Feb 2012, 5:24 pm

I tried to join the navy as a nuclear engineer. I got a 90 on the asvab so test wise I qualified.

I had 2 main reasons. You could do college if you choose to while in the service, while getting paid so it was the best option money wise, and a 12k sign on bonus. The second reason was for some friends.

But they did not like my medical history of depression and bad grades.

I got a waiver for add easily (am not diagnosed with aspergers yet), and for getting an F in precalc.

They promised me a waiver for depression and I did not get it.

Looking back on it I am glad it did not work out. If someone does not approve of my work, or I am or I am bullied (which of course they try to do in basic) then I don't handle it well and can't do work well.

On a side note I was told by 3 different recruiters, 2 of them navy that I should just lie and say I do not have a medical history. So I could have gotten in that way. But you here mixed opinions on if they can find out about that. And it probably would have driven me crazy that I had lied about something so important.

Sorry this went kind of long



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15 Feb 2012, 5:29 pm

I'm active duty Navy myself (two years in on a six year contract). If you want to do it because you want to serve your country or anything of that ilk, go for it. But if it's just because you want structure, or you feel stuck in a rut, check your options on the outside first. There's a lot of structure, which is nice, but there's a LOT more forced socialization. And what's worse is that you're liable to be stuck with some genuinely repulsive people. I'm a nuke myself,and supposedly we're the "best and brightest" the enlisted ranks have to offer, but I've met some genuinely stupid obnoxious people through my work. And if you don't qualify for nuke, it'll only be worse. Furthermore, there's a lot of high stress meltdown inducing situations in training, and even more underway (flooding, fires, etc.). That said, I wouldn't take back what I've seen and done for the world. As hard as everything's been, I'm a better, stronger person for it.


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15 Feb 2012, 5:34 pm

Alexender wrote:
I tried to join the navy as a nuclear engineer.


Lol. Recruiters lying to you. You were trying to join as a nuclear OPERATOR, which is what I am. Granted, going nuke gives you more opportunities to go officer and possibly get a job with NR as an engineer if you're both bright and lucky enough, but it's not what you sign the contract for.


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15 Feb 2012, 5:43 pm

davidalan11235813 wrote:
Alexender wrote:
I tried to join the navy as a nuclear engineer.


Lol. Recruiters lying to you. You were trying to join as a nuclear OPERATOR, which is what I am. Granted, going nuke gives you more opportunities to go officer and possibly get a job with NR as an engineer if you're both bright and lucky enough, but it's not what you sign the contract for.


Well seeing as how they wanted me to lie about some stuff I am not surprised. I might just be remembering it wrong, I knew that was what my Jop would have been, operating a generator on a carrrier or sub. Would have chosen carrier. And if that is wrong, just saying whhat I was told



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15 Feb 2012, 6:14 pm

Alexender wrote:
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Alexender wrote:
I tried to join the navy as a nuclear engineer.


Lol. Recruiters lying to you. You were trying to join as a nuclear OPERATOR, which is what I am. Granted, going nuke gives you more opportunities to go officer and possibly get a job with NR as an engineer if you're both bright and lucky enough, but it's not what you sign the contract for.


Well seeing as how they wanted me to lie about some stuff I am not surprised. I might just be remembering it wrong, I knew that was what my Jop would have been, operating a generator on a carrrier or sub. Would have chosen carrier. And if that is wrong, just saying whhat I was told


It's a mix of them lying and not knowing what they're talking about. Most recruiters are both surface guys and non-nukes, so they're pretty much talking out their ass when it comes to the nuke pipeline. All they really know is that signing up a nuke gets them a lot of points. If you had signed the contract, you would have either been a mechanic (like me), an electrician, or an electronics technician operating on a nuclear power plant.


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15 Feb 2012, 6:14 pm

Alexender wrote:
I tried to join the navy as a nuclear engineer. I got a 90 on the asvab so test wise I qualified.

I had 2 main reasons. You could do college if you choose to while in the service, while getting paid so it was the best option money wise, and a 12k sign on bonus. The second reason was for some friends.

But they did not like my medical history of depression and bad grades.

I got a waiver for add easily (am not diagnosed with aspergers yet), and for getting an F in precalc.

They promised me a waiver for depression and I did not get it.

Looking back on it I am glad it did not work out. If someone does not approve of my work, or I am or I am bullied (which of course they try to do in basic) then I don't handle it well and can't do work well.

On a side note I was told by 3 different recruiters, 2 of them navy that I should just lie and say I do not have a medical history. So I could have gotten in that way. But you here mixed opinions on if they can find out about that. And it probably would have driven me crazy that I had lied about something so important.

Sorry this went kind of long


Congrats on your ASVAB score. What is the ASVAB like(I've taken several short length practice tests but not real thing), did you have to prepare or study for it?



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15 Feb 2012, 6:17 pm

davidalan11235813 wrote:
Alexender wrote:
davidalan11235813 wrote:
Alexender wrote:
I tried to join the navy as a nuclear engineer.


It's a mix of them lying and not knowing what they're talking about. Most recruiters are both surface guys and non-nukes, so they're pretty much talking out their ass when it comes to the nuke pipeline. All they really know is that signing up a nuke gets them a lot of points. If you had signed the contract, you would have either been a mechanic (like me), an electrician, or an electronics technician operating on a nuclear power plant.


I would have been electrician or electronics probably, electronics being my preference. I scored a 77 on the asvab on that linescore. And since that is standard deviavation with a mean of 10 (s.d. is 10) it was my highest score by 5. Even though of course they just put you where is needed.



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15 Feb 2012, 6:18 pm

AS precludes you from being able to join (medically unfit).



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15 Feb 2012, 6:18 pm

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I'm active duty Navy myself (two years in on a six year contract). If you want to do it because you want to serve your country or anything of that ilk, go for it. But if it's just because you want structure, or you feel stuck in a rut, check your options on the outside first. There's a lot of structure, which is nice, but there's a LOT more forced socialization. And what's worse is that you're liable to be stuck with some genuinely repulsive people. I'm a nuke myself,and supposedly we're the "best and brightest" the enlisted ranks have to offer, but I've met some genuinely stupid obnoxious people through my work. And if you don't qualify for nuke, it'll only be worse. Furthermore, there's a lot of high stress meltdown inducing situations in training, and even more underway (flooding, fires, etc.). That said, I wouldn't take back what I've seen and done for the world. As hard as everything's been, I'm a better, stronger person for it.


Oh, I've been in plenty of situations with "forced socialization" fared pretty well. I think I would do much better if I want into a new place where I was more of an "unknown" and nobody knew me or about me. Your last sentence is the main reason I want to join to become a stronger person in general.



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15 Feb 2012, 6:19 pm

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AS precludes you from being able to join (medically unfit).


I don't understand why AS is considered "medically unfit" in the first place. That just doesn't make sense to me.



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15 Feb 2012, 6:25 pm

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Congrats on your ASVAB score. What is the ASVAB like(I've taken several short length practice tests but not real thing), did you have to prepare or study for it?


Well the asvab score doesn't really matter for me now.
The asvab is like any other standardized test. There are 8 sections. If you know what job you want, for me navy nuke, then you only need to study the sections that you need for that job.

I studied for about 3 days before it, didn't really need to though.



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15 Feb 2012, 6:28 pm

HellRazzer7878 wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
AS precludes you from being able to join (medically unfit).


I don't understand why AS is considered "medically unfit" in the first place. That just doesn't make sense to me.


ADHD is also medically unfit, but you just need to get a waiver for it. Same with aspergers. depending on your recruiters (and job, such as navy nuke) they might be active in trying to get you a waiver. Just because you are "unfit for service" does not mean you cannot join. Now depression is a lot harder to get in on. It gets sent up and someone who has never seen you before looks at a ton of papers on you to decide if you are fit for the military. Some people might say yes for you while others say no, it is a crap shoot.



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15 Feb 2012, 6:29 pm

I was in the air force. I'm not trying to sell the AF but being an aspie or HFA you might want to consider that since living conditions tend to be better than other branches (not 100% guaranteed, though). By that I mean more space and privacy in your living quarters. My younger brother was in the navy and spent most of his 4 years on a carrier where privacy and space were pretty much non-existent. Not to mention very long duty hours when the ship was underway and lots of noise all the time.
Regardless of what branch you go in I can assure you that basic training/boot camp will be a culture shock for you. It's that way for a reason and I can't fault it but for an aspie there's nowhere to escape to chill out for a while when you get overwhelmed. You'll be living in open bay barracks with about 50 others and doing everything with them so go figure. If you’re not a team player this is where you need to start being one in earnest and keep that mindset for the next four years.
After basic, tech school is a little better and you'll have more space to yourself and not quite as strict of a regimen.
Once you get to your first permanent duty station its considerably better still. I found people were generally more accepting of someone being a little unusual since you have people from all over the US and all walks of life coming together.
You could get assigned just about anywhere in the world so be aware of that.
It is a four or six year commitment so once you sign your life away and take the oath you are IN for the duration. Make sure that's what you can live with and choose your branch of service and specialty wisely.

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I don't understand why AS is considered "medically unfit" in the first place. That just doesn't make sense to me.

It doesn’t have to make sense. If you don’t have an official diagnosis and don’t tell them or anyone else how will they know? Again, though, make sure you’re up to it before you sign up and take the oath.

Good luck to you no matter what you do.