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14 Feb 2012, 3:18 am

Id really like to become normal. I f****n hate aspergers so much. its ruining everything. I know there is no cure, but has anyone with aspergers been managed to change to normal?


Aspergers has caused me more than just social problems. Auditory processing difficulties, trouble paying attention in class,etc. has really harmed my grades.

Aspergers has also reduced my creativity. I am so bad at art that when i was a kid, my art teacher actually thought i was bad at art on purpose, and so he showed my bad art to my parents to demonstrate how im not focused in class.

Aspergers has also removed any voice tone or expression . This obviously does not help much in a TV communications class that requires me to articulate and appear enthustiastic. i simply cannot express anything through voice tone.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:23 am

Well you cannot probably change the wiring of your brain, you can try to learn how to normally interact though....but it can be easier said than done. I personally would not bother but that's just me I mean there are some things I like to be aware of but I don't really have a desire to be totally normal.


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14 Feb 2012, 3:30 am

It depends what you define as normal, there isn't anything as normal, it's simply a matter of perception. It also depends what you aspire to be or compare your life towards, if you are comparing yourself to lifestyles on MTV and Hollywood magazines which are 95% of the time unrealistic, you are setting yourself up for failure. However it is possible to find fulfillment in other ways, being on the spectrum doesn't mean we are restricted from gaining employment or having relationships, it just makes things more difficult.

I really don't know what you define as normal though.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:33 am

I disagree :)

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A_survival ... c_spectrum

http://blog.ted.com/2011/08/25/playlist ... -of-minds/

It's all about finding your balance, not 'becoming normal'

A lot of us (including my self) keep forgetting that ASD is a very complex and theoretically specific spectrum that hasn't caught up with current NeuroScience innovations, ... with most of us appearing normal most of the time, yet sharing some of the fundamental characteristics that define each of us as having aspergers,

I'm not sure, specifically, what your tribulations and 'differences' are, but...
We are all normal, if you choose to be your self that is,

One day I hope you find self-efficacy, congruency, and self-resilience, (and Happiness)
I bid you good well, as our journeys cross,

ps Regardless of being diagnosed or labelled as aspergers, there's still a fundamental quality that we all share here,

correct me if I'm wrong, but our brain's are different, and i'm not trying to say it's red vs blue, aspies vs NT, I'm hoping to say that our approaches to culture, in focusing on just one way of how life should be, is very mundane and inccorect like my spelling.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:39 am

Don't try to become "normal". Even normal people can't do that.

Instead, try to become more confident, and more aware of which things you can change and which things you can't. Learn to unashamedly tell people that you are bad at certain things, but you are good at other things.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:47 am

Wolfheart wrote:
It depends what you define as normal, there isn't anything as normal, it's simply a matter of perception. It also depends what you aspire to be or compare your life towards, if you are comparing yourself to lifestyles on MTV and Hollywood magazines which are 95% of the time unrealistic, you are setting yourself up for failure. However it is possible to find fulfillment in other ways, being on the spectrum doesn't mean we are restricted from gaining employment or having relationships, it just makes things more difficult.

I really don't know what you define as normal though.

I very much agree with this.

It's not a bad thing to make efforts to connect with people as a general rule, though.



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14 Feb 2012, 3:58 am

I've changed enough to feel normal. Once I stopped focusing on the word so much, I started to feel normal because what is normal? Everyone has something about themselves that isn't normal and that is what makes them all normal.



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14 Feb 2012, 4:26 am

Nope.

Normal in a way to me sounds like 'content.'

In that case I am content with who I am. So I guess I am normal.

What is it that is making your life so difficult? My life is hard too. I just moved from home. People here don't understand my issues. I try to focus on my interests which makes me happy. I'm always finding things challenging. I can't even walk down the street without ear plugs and sunglasses. I don't work but am trying to make a career for myself.

But I try not to focus on the negative too much. AS can be an awful thing if that's how you think of it. Or you can enjoy parts of it by focusing on your strengths. People can decrease their symptoms to a point where they feel like they no longer have it but that takes a lot of dedication and it's best to believe in yourself and not be so down about this disorder, whether it gives you anxiety or makes you feel depressed.


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14 Feb 2012, 4:28 am

How do you think Asperger's ruins your life? Maybe some of your problems aren't due to Asperger's, and can be solved?


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14 Feb 2012, 4:30 am

You just need to accept yourself, and little by little work on improvements.
I think happiness is a big factor.
Attempt to meet Maslow's hierarchy of needs;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs

Trust me, I'm in the same boat... it isn't easy. But those are the cards you're dealt.



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14 Feb 2012, 5:21 am

No. /thread


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14 Feb 2012, 5:42 am

Maybe the OP means "normal" as in being excepted by NT's. I wish this to be "normal" like this too. I would like to be able to start a job or go down the pub and just get to know everybody , take part in a group, be excepted and maybe feel like people actually like me.

Edit: and go to raves:)



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14 Feb 2012, 6:35 am

I agree.....you can't become neurotypical. You can only develop coping strategies, for the traits you have that are messing with your happiness. And you might not even get far with that, if you can't admit stuff about yourself that stings your pride - e.g. being something of a social failure, being unable to read people very well, even having unusual eye contact or body language problems. Go into denial and you're lost.

Having said that, I've noticed that whenever I'm in a new relationship, I become a lot more flexible and NT-like.........it also happens if I make socialising my special interest, and I've seen at least one other Aspie who tries very hard to seem NT, and it kind of works.

I guess what happens is that if you have a strong social or sexual drive, nature gives you a hand, you become highly motivated and supercharged. Mostly I experience this as improved flexibility....e.g. I can adapt to the rapidly-changing "social wind." I can (to some extent) read between the lines of conversations and work out what they're feeling instead of my just taking everything literally.

As long as the relationship doesn't bring me any significant anxiety or grief (like finding out my new partner isn't going to protect my feelings very carefully, is too flirty with other men, wants to risk her life, is too individualistic to want to share her life with me very much), I seem able to keep that supercharged state indefinitely. But as I've never known a relationship lasting more than a couple of months or so without such grave stuff rearing its ugly head, I don't know whether I could stay NT-like for a lifetime.

In my current reationship, which is still fairly new, we've just come through some pretty grave stuff in which I found things out about her that would have made me run a mile if I'd known what I was in for before starting out with her. Luckily we seem to have largely sorted it out.......I do still have some anxiety that everything will slide back, and I resent the fact that her mistakes caused me so much upset, when all she had to do was to get it right (note the perfectionism?), but so far I've barely gone back into my Aspie shell with her. That gives me a lot of hope, because I've often suspected that I couldn't keep up my NT-like performance for a lifetime even if the other person was as near to perfect as it gets.

I suppose it's rather like my experiences with inclusive, non-judgemental, benign friends......my traits seem to vanish. But when I look closely, I'm still an Aspie. When my partner asks me what I'd like for dinner, I still don't know, because I feel I need a short list to choose from. I still can't easily shift my attention from one thing to another, if I'm deeply focussed. I still don't understand, or even want to understand, the NT behind-the-scenes Salsa-dancing crap that they call the mating game.....lies, even the sins-of-omission type where I'm not told stuff I have a right to know, can still devastate me disproportionately. I can still feel horribly upset to see that I can't always read the minds of sexual predators - there was one hanging about and I was stupid enough to try to trust him, and only figured it out when he goofed and blatantly damned himself out of his own mouth. He didn't get far, but I'm still feeling quite fraught that it was only my weak Aspie mind-reading skills that saved the day, and that I had to intervene and appear possessive for quite a while before my warnings were finally heeded in the nick of time, and that my partner was initially encouraging the bastard......that kind of sexual naïveté scares me terribly, and in this case it very nearly brought down the whole house of cards.

I guess it all boils down to whether or not the other person still seems worth the effort......if they start to look too risky, I feel a strong urge to protect myself and go back into that self-sufficient shell where they can't get through to me any more. That shell has protected me from some real maniacs......sure they've hurt me, but nothing like as much as they would have done if I'd remained all open and flexible to them. Another way of putting it is that I lose interest in a relationship if I start to feel that I'm never going to get it right.......it's similar to my special interest "hobbies" where I get to the point where I can't be arsed any more because I've been banging my head and failing to make any progress in spite of my best, sustained efforts. But give me just one person who shows me that they are worth the effort, and I'll put in whatever it takes to keep the relationship working properly.

SUMMARY:
You can't become normal, but it's amazing how normal you can act for really great people, once you realise that you can trust them. In fact I often feel that Aspie love is better than NT love......I've often been shocked at how socially acceptable it's become for mainstreamers to disrespect their partners.



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14 Feb 2012, 6:53 am

Temporarily, yes. Then they burned out and ended up with way worse problems. You can lose your independence that way, if you burn out bad enough.

Don't try to "become normal".


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14 Feb 2012, 6:54 am

Callista wrote:
Temporarily, yes. Then they burned out and ended up with way worse problems. You can lose your independence that way, if you burn out bad enough.

Don't try to "become normal".


I agree, it's better to be yourself and increase understanding of the world around you and how you connect with it, it's better to build confidence and comfort in who you are instead of putting up a facade of normality only to burn out later.



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14 Feb 2012, 7:08 am

Throughout the years, I've learnt how to imitate several neurotypical traits. For instance, making eye contact, speaking with an expressive voice, trying to listen to what other people tell me without drifting into my world... but my aspie-ness still lives inside me.

It's like a glowing light bulb I own. I may swallow it and thus "hide" it inside my body, but you can still glimpse its glow through my eyes and my skin, since its light will live forever.