Asperger's or NT...what the heck am I?

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29 Feb 2012, 3:57 pm

Hello! I've just introduced myself on the forums, but I am very unsure if I have Asperger's or that I'm just neurotypical. Now, I am diagnosed (formally) with ADHD-inattentive type and Generalized Anxiety Disorder, but I'm just wondering if I have some form of autism or if I'm just normal.
The unusual aspects about me that make most of my peers say, "you're strange", is my seriousness. I'm not saying that aspies don't have a sense of humor, but I rarely tell or laugh at a joke. Ever. I don't really understand sarcastic or lewd jokes, and when I do make a joke, nobody really gets it until they think about it for a long time. I have trouble approaching other people unless I know them or think that they're suitable enough (by that I mean kind, caring, and shown to have no criminal record or malice), and when I do talk to someone, I am accused of being a misanthrope (which I might become if people don't make the effort to understand me). I have a tendency to take jokes literally (e.g. two people were talking about having sex with their dogs or something, and I just shouted, "bestiality is legal?" and they just stared at me). I have also been prone to stare at people for no reason and I don't realize that I'm staring, but that's probably just one of my quirks.
I don't really have the proficiency with technology that news reporters everywhere associate with Asperger's, but I do have an obsession (and minor ones that change) with medical things. I've had that, supposedly, since I were a baby. My parents believe that my obsession is normal, and that I'm one of those weird artsy kids.
I have more trouble with personal space than most people; it took me until middle school to figure out the appropriate distance in which to stand. I have trouble with my handwriting and most other fine motor tasks, and all of my doctors have noticed that I have a crooked, clumsy, and unsteady gait. Whether it's normal, a sign of neurological problems, and other things, I don't know.
I have been called brutally honest by most family members; I can and will say things that I know are true and I don't really care if they're angry or offended; shouldn't they want to correct their behavior?
Yeah, I'm probably somewhere on the spectrum, from what I think, and most people don't really see it (aside from my sister, who is my closest friend since forever).
Ah, well, you can tell me what you think. Thanks.



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29 Feb 2012, 6:10 pm

I think it's quite difficult for anybody to say definitively, including doctors. That said, it does sound like your on the spectrum.

Do you consider your memory to be better relative to other people?



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29 Feb 2012, 9:25 pm

I'm not qualified to give you a diagnosis but it is very possible that you are on the spectrum. Not every aspie is good with technology that is just a stereotype. At the same time, you have many traits in common with people on the spectrum. If you are concerned about it you should make an appointment with a psychologist who can diagnose you and possibly treat some of your symptoms if they bother you.



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29 Feb 2012, 10:40 pm

AmericanHikikomori wrote:
Hello! I've just introduced myself on the forums, but I am very unsure if I have Asperger's or that I'm just neurotypical. Now, I am diagnosed (formally) with ADHD-inattentive type and Generalized Anxiety Disorder, but I'm just wondering if I have some form of autism or if I'm just normal.
The unusual aspects about me that make most of my peers say, "you're strange", is my seriousness. I'm not saying that aspies don't have a sense of humor, but I rarely tell or laugh at a joke. Ever. I don't really understand sarcastic or lewd jokes, and when I do make a joke, nobody really gets it until they think about it for a long time. I have trouble approaching other people unless I know them or think that they're suitable enough (by that I mean kind, caring, and shown to have no criminal record or malice), and when I do talk to someone, I am accused of being a misanthrope (which I might become if people don't make the effort to understand me). I have a tendency to take jokes literally (e.g. two people were talking about having sex with their dogs or something, and I just shouted, "bestiality is legal?" and they just stared at me). I have also been prone to stare at people for no reason and I don't realize that I'm staring, but that's probably just one of my quirks.
I don't really have the proficiency with technology that news reporters everywhere associate with Asperger's, but I do have an obsession (and minor ones that change) with medical things. I've had that, supposedly, since I were a baby. My parents believe that my obsession is normal, and that I'm one of those weird artsy kids.
I have more trouble with personal space than most people; it took me until middle school to figure out the appropriate distance in which to stand. I have trouble with my handwriting and most other fine motor tasks, and all of my doctors have noticed that I have a crooked, clumsy, and unsteady gait. Whether it's normal, a sign of neurological problems, and other things, I don't know.
I have been called brutally honest by most family members; I can and will say things that I know are true and I don't really care if they're angry or offended; shouldn't they want to correct their behavior?
Yeah, I'm probably somewhere on the spectrum, from what I think, and most people don't really see it (aside from my sister, who is my closest friend since forever).
Ah, well, you can tell me what you think. Thanks.


The obsessions can be present with adhd. There are a few around on the board that post it. I'm not sure of all of the differences, but they don't have the characteristic or the "passion" of the Asperger's special interests, but the perservation (fixation) is noteworthy.

One thing to check here is how's your performance on instinctively reading body language or are you amiss on it?

The 'inattention' interferes with noticing this (and many other things) but the clincher here is are you able to sense well what is inside another head or mind, hence having normal "Theory of Mind?" Is eye contact normal, and can you feel the other mind well in regards with this aspect of reading body language? At times I'm amiss and other times not, and I'd coin (my) ADHD(inattentive) as the 'variable cognition syndrome' -- the performance of this varies wildly--- depending on your brain hormonal state....... as good to bad and anywhere in between.

The inattention can be horrendous and one can take language "literally" all the way to the Moon.

Sensing space is a marker of it, but you do OK now? One caveat here is "ToM " can be delayed with ADHD.

If you can and did well *instinctively* with all body language (as never had to 'practice it'), to intellectually learn any of it, then very likely you are not inside the Autism spectrum.



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01 Mar 2012, 10:13 am

I'm a firm believer that ADHD-I and AS are the same condition diagnosed by different specialists. Hyperactivity (traditional ADHD) is no relation at all.

It'd pretty telling that the defacto guide for ADHD (driven to distraction) doesn't even mention aspergers or autism.

Here is a short extract from the ADD without hyperactivity from the above book a written by the experts on ADHD:

"These are the kids - often girls - who sit in the back of the class and twirl their hair through their fingers while staring out of the window and thinking long, long thoughts. These are the adults who drift off during conversations or in the midst of reading a page..."

this kind of thing goes on for several pages and I still fail to see any real differentiation Between ADHD-I and AS. There doesn't seem to be any real harm though as the treatments and outlook are similar too.

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01 Mar 2012, 6:10 pm

Jtuk wrote:
I'm a firm believer that ADHD-I and AS are the same condition diagnosed by different specialists. Hyperactivity (traditional ADHD) is no relation at all.

It'd pretty telling that the defacto guide for ADHD (driven to distraction) doesn't even mention aspergers or autism.

Here is a short extract from the ADD without hyperactivity from the above book a written by the experts on ADHD:

"These are the kids - often girls - who sit in the back of the class and twirl their hair through their fingers while staring out of the window and thinking long, long thoughts. These are the adults who drift off during conversations or in the midst of reading a page..."

this kind of thing goes on for several pages and I still fail to see any real differentiation Between ADHD-I and AS. There doesn't seem to be any real harm though as the treatments and outlook are similar too.

Jason



This is from a recent thread and it well delineates the differences between the two: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4440862.html#4440862

The second post by CCL drives that difference home with/by using "scripts."

The glitch cognition in one is subconscious and the other is conscious( ADHD).

I'm an introvert and am not confounded by social interaction, other than direct processing glitches on the front end.



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01 Mar 2012, 6:26 pm

Mdyar wrote:

This is from a recent thread and it well delineates the differences between the two: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4440862.html#4440862

The second post by CCL drives that difference home with/by using "scripts."

The glitch cognition in one is subconscious and the other is conscious( ADHD).

I'm an introvert and am not confounded by social interaction, other than direct processing glitches on the front end.


I have an ADHD-I diagnosis btw. I have found on deeper reflection that I have more in common with autistic / aspergers symptons than hyperactivity. Without the knowledge of AS the ADHD-I diagnosis seemed reasonable enough.

How woud a clinician differentiate between this subconscious vs conscious glitch as you have put it? Most aspies seem very aware that they are disconnected, that they aren't making eye contact and so on. Are you saying you deliberately disconnect? I would have to question why you would choose to do this when it has consequences.

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01 Mar 2012, 10:54 pm

Jtuk wrote:
Mdyar wrote:

This is from a recent thread and it well delineates the differences between the two: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4440862.html#4440862

The second post by CCL drives that difference home with/by using "scripts."

The glitch cognition in one is subconscious and the other is conscious( ADHD).

I'm an introvert and am not confounded by social interaction, other than direct processing glitches on the front end.


I have an ADHD-I diagnosis btw. I have found on deeper reflection that I have more in common with autistic / aspergers symptons than hyperactivity. Without the knowledge of AS the ADHD-I diagnosis seemed reasonable enough.

How woud a clinician differentiate between this subconscious vs conscious glitch as you have put it? Most aspies seem very aware that they are disconnected, that they aren't making eye contact and so on. Are you saying you deliberately disconnect? I would have to question why you would choose to do this when it has consequences.

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The non-autistic/ADHD cognition of missing Theory of Mind:

The difference between the two lies in the knowledge of what you are missing, as in knowing exactly what is missed via Theory of Mind. Say, given ADHD inattentional problems; one can (still) accurately read all body language and cues without resorting to looking up learned 'stuff.' It is instinctive to know the non-verbal by nearly everyone, it is universal. E.g. people know hand gestures, eye twitches, subtle gazes, voice inflection, etc. This "knowledge" is programmed or is subconsciously written on the template of the mind. It is there and is picked up via people experience under-consciously or pre- consciously.

Thus, these misses in ADHD are rooted in conscious cognition, whereas autism lacks much of this or some cases all this-- it is not templated in there completely, hence "subconscious."

The commonality between the two is missing ToM; but the origins are different. For example: Given the right conditions where I'm peaked in cognition; I can read your mind as in feeling your state of mind while conversing. There is nothing missing here. When un-peaked; the reverse is true-- there are misses--but then given medicine thus improvement.



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01 Mar 2012, 10:56 pm

You're you



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01 Mar 2012, 10:57 pm

OP: I am inclined to think that you are one of us. Consider taking the AQ test.



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01 Mar 2012, 11:02 pm

^ I got 38 on ye test.

What does that mean?



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02 Mar 2012, 2:53 am

That your almost certainly not NeuroTypical.

Congratulations!



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02 Mar 2012, 3:30 am

I got a 32 on that test... as with everything, it tells me I am right on the edge.



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02 Mar 2012, 2:35 pm

Mdyar wrote:
Jtuk wrote:
Mdyar wrote:

This is from a recent thread and it well delineates the differences between the two: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4440862.html#4440862

The second post by CCL drives that difference home with/by using "scripts."

The glitch cognition in one is subconscious and the other is conscious( ADHD).

I'm an introvert and am not confounded by social interaction, other than direct processing glitches on the front end.


I have an ADHD-I diagnosis btw. I have found on deeper reflection that I have more in common with autistic / aspergers symptons than hyperactivity. Without the knowledge of AS the ADHD-I diagnosis seemed reasonable enough.

How woud a clinician differentiate between this subconscious vs conscious glitch as you have put it? Most aspies seem very aware that they are disconnected, that they aren't making eye contact and so on. Are you saying you deliberately disconnect? I would have to question why you would choose to do this when it has consequences.

Jason



The non-autistic/ADHD cognition of missing Theory of Mind:

The difference between the two lies in the knowledge of what you are missing, as in knowing exactly what is missed via Theory of Mind. Say, given ADHD inattentional problems; one can (still) accurately read all body language and cues without resorting to looking up learned 'stuff.' It is instinctive to know the non-verbal by nearly everyone, it is universal. E.g. people know hand gestures, eye twitches, subtle gazes, voice inflection, etc. This "knowledge" is programmed or is subconsciously written on the template of the mind. It is there and is picked up via people experience under-consciously or pre- consciously.

Thus, these misses in ADHD are rooted in conscious cognition, whereas autism lacks much of this or some cases all this-- it is not templated in there completely, hence "subconscious."

The commonality between the two is missing ToM; but the origins are different. For example: Given the right conditions where I'm peaked in cognition; I can read your mind as in feeling your state of mind while conversing. There is nothing missing here. When un-peaked; the reverse is true-- there are misses--but then given medicine thus improvement.


Whoosh.... Could you put that in terms a 7 year old can understand... Seriously, how would you propose to reliably identify that difference in a 7 year old, what question could you ask their parents?

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02 Mar 2012, 3:21 pm

ADHD is considered neurotypical? if you've been diagnosed with that you can't be neurotypical at least in my opinion because that would mean you function normally.


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02 Mar 2012, 5:56 pm

Jtuk wrote:
Whoosh.... Could you put that in terms a 7 year old can understand... Seriously, how would you propose to reliably identify that difference in a 7 year old, what question could you ask their parents?

Jason

Well, Jas, this discussion is about the differences in cognition; not explaining this to parents or children.

But on that tangent: I'd think natural eye contact, e.g. communicating with the eyes would be the litmus in this juvenile setting-- as one example.