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05 Nov 2006, 10:46 pm

1. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

2. lack of social or emotional reciprocity

3. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level

4. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others

5. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language

6. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level

7. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

I am having difficulty understanding what the meaning behind these statements are. If anyone has examples to illustrate these ideas I would be appreciative.



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05 Nov 2006, 10:50 pm

Are you kidding? That is Autism!

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05 Nov 2006, 11:01 pm

What do you mean when you say that is autism?



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05 Nov 2006, 11:15 pm

Hope I don't over-simplify or generalize.
1. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
Doesnt make or have friends

2. lack of social or emotional reciprocity
Seemingly no reaction to what should cause a reaction (doesn't appear to be saddened or happy about something)

4. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
Speaks very well, talks about stuff like they are very intelligent and knowledgeable but when it comes to conversing with someone else they can not speak.

5. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
Best way is the way it seems to be described with AS all over the board, pad antic and speaks like a college professor

6. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level
Doesn't play make believe with toys

7. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
Has to do stuff a certain way, the way it always is done



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05 Nov 2006, 11:24 pm

5. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language

So for this one what would be an imaginary situation? I am having trouble imagining what this would look like.



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05 Nov 2006, 11:27 pm

7. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

And how does this differ from something like OCD?



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05 Nov 2006, 11:41 pm

I mean it is autism. SIMPLE!

walbany is wrong!! !

#4 CLEARLY says n individuals with adequate speech! That means IF they are in the HFA, AS spectrum! This definition is written to INCLUDE AS but is about ALL autism, hence the condition on #4!

#5 says "REPETITIVE!"! That speaks of echolalia which may be present in ANY variant of autism!

#6 says lack of VARIED! They MAY play with toys but it won't be spontaneous or varied. ALSO, it includes make believe play or social play with others.

#7 BY ITSELF is OCD! There are some OTHER things that may be OCD that are in autism.

4,5, and 6 are NOT OCD!

HEY, ANYONE could catch a cold, and maybe even catch carposies sarcoma, and NOT have AIDS, even though those ARE AIDS symptoms!

You can have a slow healing would and NOT have diabetes, even though it IS a symptom.

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05 Nov 2006, 11:59 pm

SteveK you have evolved from a blue jay into a raven in the course of 30 minutes time.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:03 am

And your point is? Oh well, I HATED the idea of being yellow bellied. I never noticed I was a blue jay! Yeah, I should cut down. 100 posts. YIKES!

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06 Nov 2006, 12:04 am

walbany wrote:
5. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
Best way is the way it seems to be described with AS all over the board, pad antic and speaks like a college professor


I'd like to add to this one:

If one hears someone use a figure of speech, analogy, or phrase, that seems to have an overall positive effect on conversation and then adds that to their repertoir of 'canned' language. I do this a lot. I hear someone say something, and I like it. So I start using it. It's a good way to keep conversation going.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:07 am

SuperSpaceFrog wrote:
7. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals

And how does this differ from something like OCD?


I was diagnosed with OCD, but this is actually not OCD. While it seems similar, it's for different reasons.

I have to go to the quandrangle at college to get to any of my classes. I can't go into the buildings from a different way or I can't find my classes. Before classes start each semester I find the classrooms the hard way, then map my way back to the quadrangle, and reverse it. I do that for every class, then I have a map from quadrangle to class. If I go a different way than my map, I have to find the class the hard way (looking at room numbers, going the wrong way, being on the wrong floor, et c.)

I don't know if that helped you understand. It's the same outward behavior, but it's for a different reason.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:22 am

That example was excellent, I fully understand point number 7 now.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:24 am

Steve, you're yelling again.

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1. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
having friends or peers that are not your age or grade level (if a child) or if you're an adult having lots of very young friends or very old friends, exclusively. It could also be that you don't have any friends and have a hard time socializing in work, play, class time. And that this interferes with what "normal" people consider life.
2. lack of social or emotional reciprocity
This is worded inappropriately. It should read that you lack expression of social and/or emotional reciprocity. It has to do with how you express emotions, empathy, sympathy. If your neighbor's dog is run over, do you mention how much it barked? Or do you simply say, "I'm sorry, I know you loved your dog very much"?
Another example is to show "happiness" for someone's good fortune, even if you don't care.

3. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
repeat of 1
4. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
Neurotypicals "chat" and that is usually pretty hard for autistics. Also, some/many autistics lack understanding and usage of idiomatic speech. Some autistics are visual thinkers and words just come slowly with a lot of labor. They may be able to speak and be quite articulate, but it's taxing and they might rather be quiet. Some of us have a hard time knowing when it's appropriate to enter or start a conversation.
5. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
this can be memorized script used to express needs, wants, emotions. Like quoting a movie to show anger, "We'll see about that!" even if it doesn't quite make "sense" in the context. Using the same word to convey a thought or emotion.
6. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level
This is up for debate. This sentence means that autistics don't play pretend with dolls, role playing or pat a cake when they're young. It also means that autistic play with toys is abnormal. That is, many autistics spin wheels and line cars instead of racing them or riding the trike. That doesn't mean that the autistic person lacks creativity, it just gets expressed differently.
7. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
This isn't like OCD as I know it. I means needing to adhere to a schedule, in which all participants are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Fluctuating class sizes, different food choices, suprise trips, noises can all be very threatening. It doesn't mean never changing the routine, but needing to know what that routine is. I disagree with the term "nonfunctional". My son can be very flexible if I write down the proposed schedule and show it to him. But if he expects to go to the park and we stop at the bank first, he'll blow a fuse. Rituals are about destressing too.


I'm basing my answers on what I have read and discovered in my life and that of my family's.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:25 am

Well, sort of atleast. More than before anyway.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:30 am

Thank you for the examples KimJ, they helped greatly in painting the picture. I've been looking for information like this on the web but what I have found is always very vague and hard to describe. So that is what my post is seeking to provide.



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06 Nov 2006, 12:35 am

What is an example of idiomatic speech? I hope I am not asking too many questions I have a tendency of doing this.