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noahveil23
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26 Nov 2008, 2:26 am

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Boots_dy1, I have never encountered any thread that was so thoroughly hijacked. Seven to eight pages? You should congratulate yourself. =(

There is no way to prove that there is no afterlife, but it doesn't make sense that there would be one. There is no reason for it except for our own desires and to stave off total despair.

Also, there seems to me that there is nothing present in me that would represent a "soul" separate from my ego. All the definitions I have encountered of it, except that of the "holy spirit" (i.e. the spark of god present in every living creature/everything that exists - something that only makes sense if one is theistic), have been extremely nebulous and don't seem to represent anything other than the ego.


I would be pleased to engage in discussion regarding my views.


I tried to add this a few days ago but the page crashed before I could finish.

The egyptians recognized 3 separate souls. The Ba, the Ra, & the Ka. Together the three souls comprised a complete human. They also create the african names Baraka and Barack. They 1st two souls are limited and perishable, the 3rd is not.

As I mentioned earlier, your consciousness is not (strictly) limited to the physical body. Your ego (Ra) and your transpersonal soul (Ka)
can and do exist apart from the body. There are any number of ways to get your ego (Ra) out of your body. And there is a world of information available to the ego which is not reliant on the physical senses.

Going back to the radio analogy, messing with the brain chemistry will alter the reception of the instrument, but the station received is just that, a local and limited manifestation a vastly larger non-local consciousness.

So again, Consciousness is limitless and nonlocal, and the temporary ego is a vastly reduced local manifestation and a tiny subset of Consciousness.

Your personal ego (Ra) may or may not survive the dissolution of the body, depending on any number of factors, but the limitless, non-local Consciousness (Ka) which gives rise to it is in-exhaustible and imperishable.

There are any number of anecdotal accounts of people who view their own surgical procedures and are able to accurately recount them, despite the fact that at the time they were un-conscious and insensible. This is because the ego (Ba) is not always and utterly dependent upon the senses to transceive information. This is indicated by the fact that these people frequently report observing their procedures from a perspective (from the ceiling looking down, for example) that would be physically impossible for anyone, much less someone rendered insensible by anaesthesia.

Just because something happens rarely, or under very particular circumstances, does not mean that it never happens.

Gnosis (knowing) is not a species of faith. Memory is not the same as belief. I do not believe in past lives. I have memories of past lives.


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26 Nov 2008, 2:35 am

Anyone interested in this should at the very least get a copy of the Tibetan Book of the Dead with the foreward by Carl Jung and read it.

Practically the entirety of the global practice of Shamanism is devoted to acquiring information not available to the bodily senses in a "normal" waking state. Again, there are many, many ways to detach ones ego from ones body, some a spontaneous, or accidental, and others very deliberate.

The periodical, Shaman's Drum, is devoted to nothing but these sorts of practices.


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26 Nov 2008, 11:08 am

You cant prove a negative

No one could ever be sure an afterlife doesnt exist because it may only exist for the 1 trillionth human or something

Even if i prove that person x didnt exist in any way shape or form after death doesnt mean that person y will be the same.

And so on

I can prove something exists by seeing it or photographing it but i cant prove a dragon doesnt exist just because no one has yet seen one. It might just be hiding.

So most of this thread has been over a moot point when you are asked to prove a negative you can never win.

So to ask for proof that an afterlife does not exist is a stupid thing to ask for in the first place.

You should ask for proof it does. If that cant be proved then you can infer it doesn't exist but even then you might be wrong as it could but it might be hiding ;).

As for death it does my head in trying to get my mind around not existing. It scares me witless that others will die that i care about and i might end up alone with no one that understands me.

I personally believe there is no afterlife but i cannot prove this.



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29 Apr 2012, 9:18 pm

Sometimes this happens to me when I am really anxious or irritable. I talk about going to Heaven and escaping the worries of reality. This has been going on a lot lately and my mother says I am "looping" which means I am repeating myself over and over. I can't seem to control it in stressful situations. This happened since my best friend Julie died. She had severe brain damage that got worse over time. That really stressed me out. She died in March and this has been bothering me ever since.



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29 Apr 2012, 11:31 pm

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For as long as I can remember I've been horrified by the thought of death. Specifically my death. Some of my earliest memories are of lying in bed late at night with the terrible helpless feeling of my own mortality washing over me. I tried to come up with ways out of it early. I tried to tell myself that it was so far away that it would be happening to a different person and there was no need to worry about it, but that didn't work for long. I thought I must be reincarnated, I read the bible, I created fantasies where one day aliens or God or something would come and make me immortal and show me the truth of reality. I could not accept life as it was, a life that could end at any moment. I could not accept the fact that at some point I would simply cease to exist.


I did the same thing!

For most of my childhood, I would lie awake at night and try to figure out exactly how much time I had left to live. I'd start out with the assumption I'd live to 100, calculate my years/months/days left, then go to 90, 80, 70, etc. Then I would cry myself to sleep.

I had very early interests in death and the paranormal. I would watch videos like Faces of Death and watch live autopsies...and read all the books I could about ghosts. It seems kind of odd, I guess, to have such an extreme fear of death, but feel compelled to look at images of death, but that was me.

I'm still absolutely terrified of the thought of death. Any time I'm doing something that could possibly kill me (riding in a plane, riding shotgun in someone else's car, etc), I'm in high panic mode the whole time. My fear of death certainly isn't helped by my anxiety disorder. :?


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30 Apr 2012, 8:48 am

I was this way up until just recently actually! For some reason though, I have gotten over it for the most part. I'm not a super religious person either, but I started listening to people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and various other people much along his lines of thought. What I think it takes to start getting over this fear, is a bit of open-mindedness. A willingness to accept all the possibilities (is there a god? IDK but there might be!) and accept and perhaps fall in love with, the mystery of the unknown. Besides, to me, immortality in this form sounds like hell to me. Also, adopting some practices of Buddhism helped me a lot too, I don't follow Buddhism as my religion, I just do simple things such as meditation and a ton of introspection. I really recommend reading up on some of their ideals, I'm not telling you to become a Buddhist, but just to read their ideas, and think about it, a lot of them make sense (you'll know what I mean). I saw a video on the TED Talks website wherein a scientist tried to explain spiritualism in a scientific way, and it was super enlightening. I'll link to the video for you. I hope this helps you to some degree. If none of this helps at all, just remember this simple phrase: Happiness is a choice.

TED Talk: http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxCamb ... mbridge%22