Why do some NT's wish they were like us ?

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07 May 2012, 8:29 am

Maybe because of the high-functioning part's intellect or our uniqueness. Tell me what you think.


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07 May 2012, 8:35 am

I don't know any NTs who wish they were like me, but I have heard people claim they have social phobia or AS, and seem proud of it as though they want to be.


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07 May 2012, 8:39 am

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I have heard people claim they have social phobia or AS, and seem proud of it as though they want to be.


This.



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07 May 2012, 10:06 am

No one really wants to be like us, they just want to be special or not classed as normal. Are these people by chance teenagers?



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07 May 2012, 10:22 am

Some of us are basically like, savants. Some of us do have lots of abilities. I think it's more a matter of everyone wanting what they can't have. That's how life goes.

I think also too, speaking personally, people see me and then see someone that seemingly has a like a good hand of cards, so to speak. I've been told I'm good looking, told I'm smart, have the ability to "do" lots of things, and I guess they see my social interaction problems as easily solvable/not a big deal. They figure they know how to socially interact/etc, so how hard could it be to learn?

I guess in my regard, I'm a damned lucky case of NVLD/AS, as I've been handed a set of "cards" where they're all damned good, and the NVLD/AS is seemingly the only limiting factor in my life.



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07 May 2012, 10:32 am

JanuaryMan wrote:
No one really wants to be like us, they just want to be special or not classed as normal. Are these people by chance teenagers?


This.

When I was a teenager (which was a wee while ago now, so perhaps things have changed) it was cool to have (or pretend to have) an eating disorder or self harm or be a bit 'different'. Fast-forward 10 years and those things are definitely not cool any more. People don't think you're 'edgy' they just think you're disturbed. Because some teenagers and to an extent teenage culture has fetishised these things, it makes being an adult sufferer even harder because there is an idea that these things are attention seeking behaviours that mature people grow out of. I find it very frustrating.



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07 May 2012, 10:54 am

Movies, TV shows etc. Everyone wants to be the quirky geek and lots of people think that's what aspergers or issues are. They may also may want to be special.

These people take for granted all the stuff they get easily, relationships, social interaction, no anxiety etc.


I truly blame the media. Its made being a geek a cool thing ut because of the internet people can research anything ans say they have it because of how they felt in Tuesday's chem class.


This has caused a HUGE backlash of people saying they have this or that and those who do suffer face even more condemnation. People like Christian Weston Chandler have made us look very bad too. When my mom calls to make appointments I tell her to AVOID using the word aspergers, to just describe my problems. I firmly believe nowadays if a doctor hears "aspergers" in a phone call he will never return the call and just ignore you. We had something happen, I really needed an appointment. My mom said her son was an aspie and of course nothing. Then I told her not to use that word, call back and describe my problems and sure enough we got an appointment.



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07 May 2012, 10:57 am

Because they are ignorant. They act like all of us are the same. Not all of us are gifted or have gifts. If they like something about us so much such as honesty, well they can get that skill by working on being honest. No need to have AS just to be a very honest person.


I have seen people say at IMDB on the Rain Man board that they wish they had autism so they have the savant skill. Total ignorance.



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07 May 2012, 11:02 am

League_Girl wrote:
Because they are ignorant. They act like all of us are the same. Not all of us are gifted or have gifts. If they like something about us so much such as honesty, well they can get that skill by working on being honest. No need to have AS just to be a very honest person.


I have seen people say at IMDB on the Rain Man board that they wish they had autism so they have the savant skill. Total ignorance.


What's great about this is that they're actually disgusted by autists and non-NTs. They want savant piano skills or savant art skills. I don't hate NTs, my remaining only friend is an NT but she's a mom now and is very empathetic to my problems. Next time you see someone on facebook (deleted mine, finished with all social networking) or a forum...try talking to them. Unleash all the flood gates, act your aspie or whatever self. See how much they like you then.



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07 May 2012, 11:28 am

Like others in this thread have said, when I was at school it was "cool" to have problems. I don't know if it's the case with boys, but among girls there was definitely this unspoken competition as to who had the longest list of "issues". Mental disorders, self harm, relationship troubles, an unstable home life - all things that people seemed to think made them deep and interesting.



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07 May 2012, 11:29 am

Why do people with asperger want to have autism? :lol:



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07 May 2012, 12:26 pm

Robotic wrote:
Why do people with asperger want to have autism? :lol:


:)

I've been unofficially diagnosed as an Aspie (paid for an assessment out of pocket so that it wouldn't get logged), but I won't get the official diagnosis on my record specifically because it would be a death sentence for my career. Similarly, my son is showing significant aspie traits and I won't get him diagnosed either. We're both bright and functional, but getting labelled would immediately mean that he'd end up in a "special" class or be assigned an aide that he doesn't need.

I'm proud of being an Aspie here and claim the label, but I certainly wouldn't advertise it outside of my closest and most trusted friends and family. Similarly, I won't distance myself from low-functioning Autism because I feel that I'd be making the same mistake that NTs generally make about Aspies. But I'm certainly not "coming out" any time soon :)

I understand wanting to get an explanation for why the rest of the world is so screwed up, but I really can't imagine people wanting the label. Unless you intend to take advantage of the services and support groups, it seems like it's all downside.


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07 May 2012, 12:44 pm

kill231 wrote:
Maybe because of the high-functioning part's intellect or our uniqueness. Tell me what you think.


I think some NTs admire savant skills. For others, it is searching for an identity.

When I was in grade school, I struggled with a learning disability. Only it wasn't called a learning disability back then. If you didn't learn to read and write as fast as the other kids, if you weren't able to do things that other kids did easily, you were slow or just plain stupid, or just lazy and wasn't trying hard enough. Then I was told I had Dyslexia, that I wasn't the only one to have it, that some famous people have had it and done wonderful things, and I wasn't just a dim bulb anymore.

I don't know if I have AS or HFA or ADHD-PI or BAP or what. I don't think an accurate diagnosis is even possible anymore as I have learned to fit into society and mimic those who don't have social difficulties. I still struggle in social situations, it just doesn't show as much. It is appealing though to say "I was born like this, my brain is wired differently and it can have benefits and also challenges. It is who I am, and if you don't like it, well screw you."

I can't say that. I am just a garden variety dork who doesn't function as well as others. There isn't a community I can reach out to, there isn't an identity I can embrace. In a world where it is us vs. them, I am a me. I don't fit anywhere.



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07 May 2012, 12:52 pm

For me it's because of my intellect perhaps enhanced due to the fact I have AS


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07 May 2012, 12:56 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
No one really wants to be like us, they just want to be special or not classed as normal. Are these people by chance teenagers?


Yes they are


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07 May 2012, 12:59 pm

Because their life sucks too, and the lawn's always greener elsewhere.