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11 May 2012, 11:10 am

I've felt embarassed by my tendency to use detailed words and extensive knowledge on some subjects, so when I've fought the urge to say 'according to wikipedia John Lennon grew up in Liverpool and was raised mostly by his mother's eldest sister' and instead will say 'I read somewhere that John Lennon lived with his aunt'. The more troubling ones aren't coming to me at the moment but is it more of problem for me or do other feel sometimes like they're forced to learn a new language?



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11 May 2012, 11:31 am

See, I don't consider that to be 'dumbing down' at all. You conveyed the same relevant information in a more relaxed manner. Bigger words aren't always better words, and people often think that those who use them are simply trying to show off how smart they are. I know that's usually not the case with us, but we give off that impression a lot. Don't ever feel like you have to hide your knowledge, but the less syllables you can use, the better.


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11 May 2012, 11:56 am

Yup, been there, done that. In my teens I started having people say, "so, you thInk you're better/smarter than everyone else?" I somehow figured out that that was due to formal/ttextbook word usage and grammar, so I 'degraded' the way I spoke which seemed to fix the problem. Over time I've come to see it more like sacrip said, though it does still irk me a little that it's necessary.



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11 May 2012, 11:58 am

I don't need to do that - I'm actually ''dumber'' than the general population and I speak in the most basic form that even NTs have to help me on my vocabulary.


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11 May 2012, 12:23 pm

This was the story of my life at school! I did have to 'dumb down' quite a bit to make friends, but I suspect that a lot of people did at my school - being academic, bright or even enthusiastic would not win you any friends there. The real issue I had was my formal way of speaking - which I'd had from very young. Children found it laughable and adults found it creepy. I really made an effort to try speaking in a more informal, everyday sort of way. The upside of this is that I have the ability to speak 'proper' if the situation demands it and to speak in a more relaxed way if not.



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11 May 2012, 12:45 pm

I do, but not so much as in the context of the example, but I ask questions I already know the answer of since it seems to calm NTs who do not know how to talk to me. I've gotten so far that I find it hard to talk in a different way to people now which is annoying. You think that at a university the people are used to excentricity...


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11 May 2012, 12:46 pm

They called me "Brainy Smurf" in HS so that kinda speaks for itself. Till now, however, I still dumb down my language especially where I used to work which had a lot of immigrants. I'm an immigrant, too, but if you've spent a good chunk of your life acquiring a hugely decorative vocabulary, sometimes your speech dictum betrays itself.



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11 May 2012, 1:26 pm

Dumbing myself to fit in sometimes tends to be as challenging as trying to show your work on your math problems on the paper for the professor when you can do it all in your head in a more efficient manner. :roll: I dont like being innefficient I prefer efficiency but thats just me.


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11 May 2012, 1:45 pm

Yes I had to learn to do it at school. NT's prefer if you sound stupid than clever.



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11 May 2012, 1:54 pm

Yep!


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11 May 2012, 2:53 pm

sacrip wrote:
See, I don't consider that to be 'dumbing down' at all. You conveyed the same relevant information in a more relaxed manner. Bigger words aren't always better words, and people often think that those who use them are simply trying to show off how smart they are. I know that's usually not the case with us, but we give off that impression a lot. Don't ever feel like you have to hide your knowledge, but the less syllables you can use, the better.


Don't be silly. The first sentence conveys at least twice as much information than the second, i.e. the second sentence is 'dumbed down' by more than half.



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11 May 2012, 2:59 pm

I don't exactly have that problem.... LOL



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11 May 2012, 3:00 pm

Here's a fun guide to dumbing down your intelligent conversation-it's sort of a hobby of mine.

Prepend "It's like" or "kinda like if" to any analogy, rather than "you could describe it as" or "it could be approximated by..."

No matter how fun it is to quote great authors/scientists/theologians by name, you have to stick with "someone said" or "I can't remember who said this, but..."

Even if you know something, make sure to sound less sure by mixing in "I'm pretty sure," "I think," "or at least that's what I've heard," or (my favorite, since it invites conversation) "right?"

If you're going to talk about Science, make sure you talk like Bill Nye the Science Guy. I have no idea when it became cool to hate math & science, but since it is, you basically have to restrict yourself to funny analogies.

(Now you know)



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11 May 2012, 3:13 pm

Reynaert wrote:
sacrip wrote:
See, I don't consider that to be 'dumbing down' at all. You conveyed the same relevant information in a more relaxed manner. Bigger words aren't always better words, and people often think that those who use them are simply trying to show off how smart they are. I know that's usually not the case with us, but we give off that impression a lot. Don't ever feel like you have to hide your knowledge, but the less syllables you can use, the better.


Don't be silly. The first sentence conveys at least twice as much information than the second, i.e. the second sentence is 'dumbed down' by more than half.


Yes, but in casual conversation, not every datum is needed. "According to Wikipedia," is unnecessary information; A true fact is a true fact, regardless of where you found it. If your audience thinks your wrong, THEN you can cite your source. "Mother's eldest sister" is a long way of saying aunt, and unless it's important to know that it was his MATERNAL aunt AND that she was the eldest of her siblings, this is easily dropped. As for the "in Liverpool" part...if your audience doesn't know the Beatles are from Liverpool, why the heck are they talking about the Beatles, anyways?


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11 May 2012, 3:21 pm

I've done that since childhood. I know I shouldn't and would like to stop, but people already view me as odd and I don't want that to get even worse.


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11 May 2012, 3:32 pm

Depends who i'm with, if i'm out on the tiles with the lads then I tend too dumb down quite a bit because im usually talking to loads of people so it's just easier to be dumb, because in more intelligent conversations I find it hard to convey what im trying to say, the ideas there but nothings coming out sort of thing and sometimes I jumble my words :oops: . Plus they're not that bright so it'd only be wasted.

Females im fine with tho (don't knows why) I don't usually dumb down for them or people who have known me for a while even if they're not the sharpest knives in the draw, they're sort of used to me and usually ask if there's something up, if im being dumb.


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