Aspies and school shootings

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Can we have a discussion on Loners and school shootings?

There was a story of a young adult in Montreal who shot others at a school. He was a loner, he kept to himself, he hated the world as he found most to be highly untrusting. They are always "obsessed" with something, in that case and this German one, it happened to be 'guns.'

The kid went to school to find out he was a loser.

Now, are all aspies going to shoot up their school? No, and 'normal' people are just as capable, but in these instances, there is a clear cut reason why they shot their schools up - a feeling of difference. Are they aspies or auties or whatever? I dont know, I only have a bit of an article to go buy, but many signs point to 'great possibility'

Most of us here are a bit more relieved as we know what is wrong with us (or 'isnt') but they may not know about what is wrong with them outside of their 'depression.'

I dont know, maybe its just me noticing this

I posted a very similar thread and got slated for it so expect a backlash.

Your point is valid and i can see why an undiagnosed youth would be driven to this.

Thought about this one a lot, actually.
I was in high school in the mid-late 80's. I wore black a lot, I had all of, what, 3 friends (had acquaintances too but they weren't close enough that I'd consider them friends).
LOVED firearms, hated The System, etc.
I think a big part of it was that I just didn't give enough of a rats ass about anyone at my school enough to want to kill them myself. Not to mention the fact that, ok, you kill, what, 15-20? A month later, they've been replaced by new students and you have to start over (provided you're not locked up or have committed suicide via cop).
It's just a phenomenal waste of time. All that planning, all that anger and rage and angst, all that ammo, and for what? A week or two of prime time news that you would've despised anyway and a lifetime legacy of being 'That nut that shot up his school'? No thanks.
If I were of a mind to go out with a bang, so to speak, you can bet your ass it'd be something productive... like nuking Congress, or assassinating the CEO of.. I dunno, Pfizer or Bayer or something.

I prefer flowers and Peace-Signs.

Comeon! Being a loner does NOT make you an aspie! That is only a likely outcome with ONE of the symptoms. An NT with a chemical imbalence could EASILY become a dangerous loner!

Steve

I think even aspies need to learn self control. It is presumptious to even attempt to or succeed in such an act of violence.

I don't like guns and could never shoot anyone. I percieve this feeling everytime I picture myself with a gun in my hands, about to kill someone. And then I see myself crying, dropping the gun and going into crying/sobbing episodes. And I picture myself becoming angry for threatening that person.

Every once in a while when I hear of a school shooting, I see something in the story that makes me think "aspie." The more recent Montreal shooting, no, I didn't get that sense, but the one before that, where the guy singled out the women in an engineering school and shot them, yes, I got that sense. I got that sense from one of the Columbine shooters too. I agree with Corvus but I wouldn't say the majority are aspie, but I do believe there have been some.

He could have possibly had Anti-social personality disorder, which would explain his solitary behavior.

I watched part of a home video the more recent montreal shooter made of himself; in it he was really mugging for the camera and making steady eye contact with the lense; his body language didn't seem awkward at all, either. So as an armchair psychologist, I would say sociopath/ antisocial personality disorder would fit him better than AS would.

There were times when I wanted to shoot up the school.
I don't see how AS kids would be less apt to do something like that if given the chance.
They more often have a reason.

But on the other hand, it's the underlying attitudes and treatment towards these kids that make them snap, sooner rather than later if they're mentally unstable, and it is a treatment that I wouldn't be surprised generally thrives in the neurotypical groups.

Corvus,

I wasn't 100% discounting it, but look at Goth and vampirism! BOTH tend to be loners to the general population, and BOTH would be called WIERD!! ! Yet thier whole society, for want of another word, is something any aspie should be totally against.

Steve

lol, I don't think all loners are gun toting postal people.
Even if those kids have OCD and ASD, I really don't think that would make them AS...

If you wanna go that way, what about the unibomber? Lived in a shack all alone because he hated people, had his own ideas about how things should work and rejected other peoples ideas... But really, doesn't AS have more attributes than merely that? It could have to do with the left temporal lobe of the brain(is that the correct lobe that AS is supposed to be affected with?), but I don't think it's the same exact thing.