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23 Nov 2006, 2:46 am

My question is, how does one stop obsessing over the truth?

Truth in this case being the real sequence of events, if someone refuses to accept some responsibility, I seem to be unable to let it go.

I try to go into what drives me, which most the time consumes me, but I keep thinking of alternative ways of explaining equal responsibility to someone.

I can't seem to finish things without a resolution, at least knowing the other party knows the part they played. I get so desperate I even "downgrade" what they actually did, just so they'll accept they did something wrong..

Maybe it is because I so easily and readily accept my own mistakes, I keep believing others will too?

Blaming others entirely without even once looking inwards.

I'm trying to block this particular person out, but it continues to plague me until I make a resolution one way or the other, sadly it usually involves cutting them off altogether.


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23 Nov 2006, 3:50 am

I have a very hard time letting things go as well.

Admitting mistakes can be good, but I would say to remember that you can only admit truthfully to mistakes you know you've made.

I have found that the actual truth is sometimes a thing that no one can grasp.

Life is short, there is no point in making someone understand accept something they don't want to. This is especially if it won't benefit you in any way at all.

At my job I do accounting work. All day I call stores and point out mistakes and try to fix them(my job >.<). But frequently the people I call won't admit to making a mistake:[insert anecdote here]:
*a typical phone call I make at least 10x a day(very little exaggeration)*
Me "Hello, you punched in your computer last night that you missing 1,000.00 of the cash from your sales yesterday, is that correct??"
Store "No! I'm not short!"
Me "Ok, so there may be a keying error, may I please confirm the total on the deposit you are taking to the bank?"
Store "No! I punched it in correctly and that amount is not short!"
Me "Would you please confirm the amount you took to the bank?"
Store "No! I am too busy and do you expect me to have paperwork from ZOMG yesterday?!?(having a cow) Why would I have papers from SO SO long ago(why can't people hold on to a sheet of paper more than 2 days?)???!?! Why don't you audit people go and do YOUR job fix it so it says I'm not short like it SHOULD say."
Me "Ok, thanks, have a good day"

I fix the ones I can and the uncooperative people I *have to*(It drives me nuts, but what can I do) let be short(well, sometimes they money really is short/stolen, but that's another story)... I can't save everyone and if I spend too much time trying to convince them, I won't call the stores that might actually want me to help them(heaven forbid the possiblity >.<). :/ Oh yes, if you are curious, the uncooperative stores get a visit from their Regional Asset Protection Manager later in the week when they stay short. Usually they call me back and are VERY nice after that and we get it fixed if it's fixable. Ah... the few moments of my job I like. :P If not for those moments, I'd have quit long ago. :P

But that's just my experience, as always, take with a grain of salt...lol As this is something I am constantly struggling with, I know my answer isn't going to be ideal.



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23 Nov 2006, 5:24 am

Thankyou..

I guess its just because if she doesn't see the part she played, she'll never grow from it, I want to just give her time, but I know even in a year she'll still be blaming everything that happened on me.

I guess I should just realise you can't make someone see what they don't want to see.

Trying...

Trying..

Trying...


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23 Nov 2006, 5:50 am

I have an experience that's been bothering me. It also has to do with a girl.

I used to be really good friends with this one girl I played online games with on the internet. I even got to talk to her on the phone once, I was so happy. I knew we were just friends and I knew we'd only be friends and I was cool with it. I thought playing it safe like that, that I possibly could keep her as a friend. i mean after all, an internet friend? That shouldn't be rocket science right? We played a video game together, a game we both played obsessively...lol damn right? Shouldn't be hard to keep that going?

Well, after literally months of hanging out online, playing and talking.... we just stopped abruptly and she won't have anything to do with my any more. I truthfully don't know exactly what I did. I know I feared losing her as a friend. Knowing that I have never kept a friend very long I figured it would happen but... It's just I lose her and i can't play anymore either, I can't replace her company... It just sucks. She can't be replaced...

So, yea, here comes the making realize part... Well, she won't even acknowledge I exsist... The last message i got from her I didn't understand and she won't explain..so... I've sent 2 more messages but I'm not gonna flood her any more messages. So yea, it's sort of a pathetic story by me... But I guess I'm saying that no matter how sorry I am and how much I tell her I don't understand, she's never going to see it the way I want.

I don't even know what your situation was, but I guess I'm just relating a "she'll never understand" story... She doesn't want to see what I have to say, or think... so I have to let go... :/ It really sucks but... another friend bites the dust...lol There is no way I can make her do anything. Nor would I try...

Sorry, about my crazy long posts... Maybe I have not gone for a AS test (yet), but I HAVE been offically DX'd Hyperlexic. :P Truthfully, I don't see how that works with my terrible grammer and punctuation... :P But the doc said... and in writing... >.<



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23 Nov 2006, 6:15 am

I hurt her too bad this time.

I don't expect her to forgive..

I just wanted her to understand the truth, because she feels so horrible about herself, she is actually letting guys use her to punish herself.

Granted she was this way before she met me, but I feel I've made it 10 times worse, nowdays thats all she deems herself worthy for..

I wish I just saw it coming before I snapped, now its too late, all I can do is hope she finds something within herself beyond this.


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23 Nov 2006, 6:27 am

Scintillate wrote:
My question is, how does one stop obsessing over the truth?

Consider the possibility of becoming more comfortable with ambiguity, and that truth may be more subjective and less objective than you think. Also, consider the posibility of living in a quantum universe where two totally contradictory ideas can both be true.


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23 Nov 2006, 6:50 am

Oh I definately agree.

I'm talking about truth in terms of obvious cause and effect things.

Meaning..

She feels terrible, so she punishes herself, which only makes it worse.

I obsess over ways of trying to express this to her.

Though I believe truth is very subjective, I also believe in certain axioms, or self-evident truths..

It is evident to me and to her she is not happy, but I can't get her to see she is the wheel and only she can turn herself around..

I guess this is the way of life huh, no matter how many ways I can express it, if someone doesn't want to see something, a simple choice will eliminate it from view, no matter how it is shown.

Ahh... its in motion, she will learn somehow, I've done all I can..

This makes me think of a certain line:

"I am the anti-product. Quantum-mechanically pure"


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