Moronic discrimination against aspies

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30 Jun 2012, 12:53 pm

Ok, I'm getting sick and tired of every time I turn around I hear "I really don't like him" or "I really don't like her" and that person is always an aspie. Why the heck can't the rest of the world tolerate those who act differently? Yes, we're different get the HECK over it.

I don't discriminate against anyone, and I enjoy hanging with anyone no matter what their personality is as long as they aren't mean. I don't see why people dislike other people just because they act differently than the majority of the world. I hang with many people who behave in many many different ways.

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30 Jun 2012, 1:00 pm

imho: we need an awareness and understanding campaign that equates our inability to read non-verbal or subtle communications with deafness. Many of us can cognitively learn to read some, but we're unlikely to read like an NT. Even though some of us can use some of these communications, usually in proportion to what we can read, we are as unlikely to become fluent as a child born deaf is to be able to speak a spoken language fluently.

In a very real way, it is a form of deafness. Even though we can hear sounds, the communication does not occur.


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30 Jun 2012, 1:16 pm

CuriousKitten wrote:
we need an awareness and understanding campaign that equates our inability to read non-verbal or subtle communications with deafness.


That's a really interesting idea, and a good analogy. We certainly need some way of communicating it to people; I think it's genuinely hard for a non-autistic to be able to imagine having these social difficulties, but equating it with something they understand a bit better is a good idea.



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30 Jun 2012, 1:45 pm

Yes, and what is ironic is that when any given person is asked, 'what qualities do you like in a person?' invariably they'll answer, in effect, 'honesty, intelligence, forthrightness, loyalty' etc. These are precisely the qualities that define Asperger's Syndrome. Yet, in practice, these very traits can be too challenging.

Popular people can be crafty, even socially manipulative. Hmm.


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30 Jun 2012, 1:56 pm

How do you know this is because they're Autistic?



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30 Jun 2012, 2:47 pm

Wolfmaster, I believe that this is an instinctual thing, not a rational thing. I lately find myself on the receiving end of this kind of antipathy. I try to be polite, I smile, I assist, but because I prefer to be quiet and alone during breaks, some of my coworkers approach me as if I'm some kind of war criminal.

It's hilarious!


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30 Jun 2012, 3:59 pm

CyclopsSummers wrote:
I believe that this is an instinctual thing, not a rational thing.


Primal conditioning, those that are different may be more likely to attack.


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30 Jun 2012, 4:01 pm

Misread signals, like dogs and cats.

If an NT sent the same signals some Aspies do, they'd be doing it deliberately, and it would be hostile or an attempt to annoy.

The NT observers assume the sender of said signals is also NT, and misread them.

Best thing to do? If you don't like someone, avoid them. No need to actually be hostile, is there?


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30 Jun 2012, 4:06 pm

vanhalenkurtz, technically everyone is different from each other... so why doesn't everyone discriminate against each other?



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30 Jun 2012, 4:10 pm

I don't think they dislike them because they are autistic, it's because they have qualities they don't like in them. We can come off as rude and uncaring and self centered and a jerk or a control freak. I mean look at ASPartners. Horrible site and the things women there complain about in their aspie men are the same things NT women complain about in their NT men and some of their partners do sound like jerks. Maybe it's just a coincidence every time when someone doesn't like someone and that person is always an aspie. But how do you know they are aspie?

But if people dislike someone over something harmless or over something silly, then it's their problem, not the aspie's I think. I don't really care if people like me or not. People dislike people for different reasons, especially the silly ones I don't think it's worth disliking a person over.


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30 Jun 2012, 4:15 pm

Callista wrote:
Misread signals, like dogs and cats.

If an NT sent the same signals some Aspies do, they'd be doing it deliberately, and it would be hostile or an attempt to annoy.

The NT observers assume the sender of said signals is also NT, and misread them.

Best thing to do? If you don't like someone, avoid them. No need to actually be hostile, is there?



This.


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30 Jun 2012, 4:15 pm

Wolfmaster wrote:
Ok, I'm getting sick and tired of every time I turn around I hear "I really don't like him" or "I really don't like her" and that person is always an aspie. Why the heck can't the rest of the world tolerate those who act differently? Yes, we're different get the HECK over it.

I don't discriminate against anyone, and I enjoy hanging with anyone no matter what their personality is as long as they aren't mean. I don't see why people dislike other people just because they act differently than the majority of the world. I hang with many people who behave in many many different ways.

Please post your thoughts below...


It's a survival mechanism in humans. They are reaffirming their status within their own group. They may not be aware of why they do it but they do it because it's natural to humans and many other animals.



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30 Jun 2012, 4:19 pm

It may be natural, but that doesn't mean it's ethical. We deny our natural impulses all the time. Sure, we're creatures of hormones and instincts; but we're also rational individuals. We shouldn't act as if we can't help our impulses. We've got the ability to use logic, to step back from a situation and think about it carefully. The second we do--or the second we deliberately choose not to--we're responsible for those impulsive "natural" actions.

We can't force NTs to re-think their prejudices, except by raising awareness in general; but we can think about how we ourselves stereotype others. You can't change other people--you can change yourself. I've had issues with stereotyping others, myself; actually, I don't think it's possible to be a human being within a society without picking up some of those stereotypes whether you like it or not. The important thing is whether you question them when you become aware of them.


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30 Jun 2012, 4:46 pm

Callista wrote:
It may be natural, but that doesn't mean it's ethical. We deny our natural impulses all the time. Sure, we're creatures of hormones and instincts; but we're also rational individuals. We shouldn't act as if we can't help our impulses. We've got the ability to use logic, to step back from a situation and think about it carefully. The second we do--or the second we deliberately choose not to--we're responsible for those impulsive "natural" actions.

We can't force NTs to re-think their prejudices, except by raising awareness in general; but we can think about how we ourselves stereotype others. You can't change other people--you can change yourself. I've had issues with stereotyping others, myself; actually, I don't think it's possible to be a human being within a society without picking up some of those stereotypes whether you like it or not. The important thing is whether you question them when you become aware of them.


But ethics aren't natural to humans. Look at any society today or any period in history and you will see that most humans are ruled by instinct rather than ethics. People try to place themselves above other animals but there are more similarities than there are differences. Why are people like MLK viewed as icons who are ethically and morally above the common man, shouldn't everyone believe as MLK? Because the vast majority of people can't live up to those ideals and many can't even comprehend them.

On a side note... I was sleeping and my dad came over to use my computer. I had left one of the threads up (can't remember which one now). So I woke up and noticed he was reading WP. I asked him what he was reading. He said,"I don't know but that Callista is really smart". :lol:



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30 Jun 2012, 5:03 pm

I don't see why ethics aren't natural to humans. What exactly is "unnatural" about having rules that make a society run smoothly? Of course it's easier to go by instinct, but that doesn't mean it's more natural. If something takes effort, that doesn't mean it's unnatural; it only means it takes effort. Human beings aren't built to be lazy; we thrive on challenge. That's why we have such big brains.


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30 Jun 2012, 5:19 pm

It's probably just a natural NT response to phase out those that aren't like them.

I was "phased" out of the social structure at school, just by word of mouth, heh.