NT's see me as "difficult" and "gay"
I'm 30, I'm doing MUCH better than I was 10 years ago with "Normals" but today I got burned again. One thing that I've always had difficulty and still do is knowing how others perceive me. Another problem is, no suprise, romantic relationships. Today I got a double wammy.
1.) I'm seen as "difficult." I had a girl tell me that I look like the "difficult type who expects people to do what they say they are going to do." I'm guessing that this is probably an extension of earlier critcisms of "you take life too seriously." Well I have only one life to life so I may as well take is seriously enough to do the things I want to do. Besides, most of the time if I were any more laid back I'd be in a coma.
2.) I'm seen as "gay." I suppose if I actually were gay this wouldn't be a problem, but being hetero does make it an issue. I've been given various reasons having to do with my "behavior" over the years but it's not like I go around kissing guys or wearing bright fabulous clothes. Most say it's the way I walk or hold myself, or my body language in general. I imagine this is probably part of why I've been invisible to women for most of my life. If a lot of women see me as gay then I've probably missed out on more than a few opportunities with women who may have otherwise been interested in me.
Not being interested in sports and reading books doesn't help apparently.
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That`s gay than I`m pretty gay ang th avatar too
I didn`t know that...
WOW that was sooo helpful...
Do you honestly think that posting pleblain jargon is the way to awnser a serious question.
As for you issue; people are probably not being literal. Sometimes people use the term "gay" to describe a wide range of odditys. (people are actually too stupid to figure out any other words; god bless america and its expansive vocabulary)
I am one of the few aspies able to use and understand sarcasam.
I don't know about you, but I have a young voice. I sound like I am 20 or something. It certainly doesn't sound homosexual though. I am straight. For almost all of my life, I NEVER cussed! I haven't been interested in sports either. That IS it though. I like conservative clothes, dress normal, move normal, and if people watch me carefully, they might even see me trying to know women better, etc... I sometimes make an impression on women, but I probably come off more like a brother than possibly more. Anyway, most are married. I am not acting homosexual at all.
YEP, some have expressed that they thought I was homosexual. One wrote "steves gay" on my car in dust. With so much focus on it, maybe HE is! One spoke of some things as if to center around the idea. He discounted the idea that he was implying anything. AGAIN, he knew words that only a homosexual would know. He had to explain them to me. Maybe he is also. My boss once described a bit of surprise when I spoke of my partner. He had experience with this, because he knew someone that used partner to mean "domestic" partner. I meant partner as in BUSINESS partner! This is probably because they don't see me with friends that are women. Heck, they don't see me with friends that are male either. HECK, I can't STAND homosexuals. I ALSO hate how they coopted the term GAY. I never used the term GAY either, but it used to have only 3 meanings, FUN, COLORFUL, HAPPY. Even the FLINTSTONES talks about "gay old time", and one christmas song does, etc...
I even wrote to a couple females here and went overboard trying to tell them I was just curious, and trying to be nice. I spoke here earlier about how every cell in my body SCREAMED "APPROACH HER", when I saw someone going to a train station that CLEARLY thought as I did. She probably had AS too! I could EASILY have traveled with her for up to an hour without changing EITHER of our schedules. Yet I DIDN'T, SOLELY because PERVERTS have hurt so many that I may be suspect, so I am overly cautious.
If the belief that you are homosexual has no real basis, I guess you can't worry about it. Just try to subtly make it clear to women you aren't.
Steve
I have a lot of trouble convincing people I'm straight, too. What's even more hysterical is that I am apparently every gay man's type-- were I gay, I would never want for a date. I I seem to be a flaming heterosexual.
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"And if I had the choice, I'd take the voice I got, 'cause it was hard to find..."
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Yeah,
There are words, colorschemes, motions, straight males must NEVER use or do. LUCKILY, most straight men seem to know that. There are even some statements that might make a woman feel great, appreciative, etc... that are flattering! Yet you just shouldn't say them. It is a shame.
HECK, they have commercials and comedies here about men being STRNGLY encouraged by their wives to buy "feminine sanitary products". In ALL cases, the man is almost embarassed. It is not anything the woman would or should feel embarrassed about. Yet the man does. I guess it is all those young years of "conditioning".
Oh well, ANOTHER aspect of my character explained. I am not homosexual, and I don't think I come off that way, but it explains why I act as I do. Oh for the good old days. I heard that when I was a teenager I would "grow to like girls". I always did! I pretty much had to hide it, because there is a time when I guess kids are not supposed to notice, etc... With me, it just got stronger. I NEVER considered that there would be people attracted to their OWN sex! I guess I was blissfully ignorant about that.
Steve
People at my college probably think I'm gay for the simple fact that I've never dated a girl here. None of the gay guys I know have really flirted with me though; hardly surprising to me. Any worthwhile traits that would make me attractive to either sex are buried deep beneath a bland exterior.
I am rather attracted to several girls I know here, but I haven't done anything about it because I don't get much of a friendly vibe from them. Sometimes I wish I were asexual.
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Many of my relatives overseas think I'm gay for no other reason than that I'm over 40 and still single. From people on this side of the ocean, I occasionally have people mistakenly think I'm gay. I don't have a problem with that, though, as I have a lot of gay friends and sometimes hang out with them. So I react to someone thinking I'm gay about the same way as I react to someone who thinks I'm Catholic because I have a French surname with very blatant religious connotations: I simply say "I'm not" and leave it at that.
Mind you, the bright purple scarf I wear in the wintertime does get some people wondering.
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It's people's own problem if they make such a big deal about a person's sexual orientation, just as it is their problem if they make a fuss about ethnicity or age or occupation, etc.. Too bad that many people are more interested in putting a label on somebody, rather than admiring the person for what he or she is.
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I wouldn't blame homosexuals for how the word "gay" is used in the English language. Does anybody really know how the word actually acquired its reference to homosexuals in the first place? And when did gay-bashers begin to use "gay" as a general pejorative?
Your first sentence quoted here is a very strong statement, especially considering that a lot of people on WP and with AS are not straight (higher proportion than in the general population).
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OK stinky! I'll shut up on that. If I can't tell, and they don't bug me, etc..., I don't care.
As for who started its use, I DOUBT they were straight. As for the AS connection? I DOUBT THAT! Have you looked at how many are speaking? A good number are STRAIGHT! The OWNER of this site is! And some DO talk about being Asexual. I think if they were more comfortable with the idea, they would prefer having such relations. If they didn't, that would be fine with me. I can understand and even respect that.
My feelings ARE strong there. They started out as just a inborn feeling against the homosexual "lifestyle", but the different groups, like "glaad", etc... have only made it stronger.
I'm sorry if I offended, but that IS the truth!
BTW I won't change much to fit in with any group. If I found out that AS people were almost all "homosexual", I would deny even those symptoms I have, and probably look for some way to fit in better elsewhere. Frankly, I think evidence suggests they aren't though.
Steve
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1.) I'm seen as "difficult." I had a girl tell me that I look like the "difficult type who expects people to do what they say they are going to do." I'm guessing that this is probably an extension of earlier critcisms of "you take life too seriously." Well I have only one life to life so I may as well take is seriously enough to do the things I want to do. Besides, most of the time if I were any more laid back I'd be in a coma.
2.) I'm seen as "gay." I suppose if I actually were gay this wouldn't be a problem, but being hetero does make it an issue. I've been given various reasons having to do with my "behavior" over the years but it's not like I go around kissing guys or wearing bright fabulous clothes. Most say it's the way I walk or hold myself, or my body language in general. I imagine this is probably part of why I've been invisible to women for most of my life. If a lot of women see me as gay then I've probably missed out on more than a few opportunities with women who may have otherwise been interested in me.
Not being interested in sports and reading books doesn't help apparently.
Comments? Criticisms? Candycanes?
Before I came across Asperger's as an explanation, I had thought I must be gay, as I do like to look at other guys, though mostly with envy, wishing I could be that person. But actually being with gays did not turn me on, and so I gave up on that. I still have yet to be with females or even have female friends, although I am more comfortable talking with women. I have had gay people tell me that they thought I was gay, but I have had others say that was not the case. Anyway, I do not enjoy physical intimacy with other people. Not even pornography arouses me; this could be chalked up to mirror neuron dysfunction. Then too, for all our talk about sex, sex is still a taboo topic in most public places.
Too, I am not interested in sports. I don't like to make comments about women's looks. And I don't have any interest in dating. So, it would be easy for others to think that, and saying that I have autism would not get me off the hook.
From what I have read, gay men are more sensitive to body language than straught men, and of course, aspies tend to be less sensitive to nonverbal communication than straight men.
As for who started its use, I DOUBT they were straight. As for the AS connection? I DOUBT THAT! Have you looked at how many are speaking? A good number are STRAIGHT! The OWNER of this site is! And some DO talk about being Asexual. I think if they were more comfortable with the idea, they would prefer having such relations. If they didn't, that would be fine with me. I can understand and even respect that.
My feelings ARE strong there. They started out as just a inborn feeling against the homosexual "lifestyle", but the different groups, like "glaad", etc... have only made it stronger.
I'm sorry if I offended, but that IS the truth!
BTW I won't change much to fit in with any group. If I found out that AS people were almost all "homosexual", I would deny even those symptoms I have, and probably look for some way to fit in better elsewhere. Frankly, I think evidence suggests they aren't though.
Steve
A good number are straight, and a good number are not straight. The fact that the owner of the site may be straight doesn't hold much weight on its own, since in the end he is one person. And I said "not straight," I didn't say homosexual, so I am including the asexuals in there already. It's fine that you have your own opinions and feelings about the issue, but in the end it's homophobia, and if you have an aversion to a lifestyle that really doesn't affect you (unless you believe the stereotype that all gay people are flamers), why would you expect other people to accept your lifestyle as a person with AS?
As for your comment about "looking for some way to fit in better elsewhere," I don't understand why it is so important for you or anybody else to fit in anywhere. Everybody is different in some way, regardless of whatever label somebody wants to put on him or her. Anyway that's all I'll say about it.
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Yeah, I figured you might add the asexuals in. HEY, I didn't say I hated the non straights. I'm FINE with the asexuals! If you're happy, etc... GREAT! More power to you, LITERALLY! I really do mean that. I hope everyone realizes that. NO, it ISN'T HOMO(same) PHOBIA(fear)! FAR FROM IT! I have no fear there, and I hate that word because it is just WRONG!
BTW That feeling is just part of who/what I am. Sorry. And NO, I know they are all different. I have known both types. (in reference to your "flamer" statement) BTW I won't avoid being in an area simply because there are gay people there, and I won't try to "convert" them, argue, or kill, so they have nothing to worry about from me. I'm just showing me feelings, that's it.
As for the asexuals, to repeat, I am certainly fine with THAT also! I never said anything against that. HECK, the way this world is going, THEY may be the ones to survive! IRONIC! I guess things will be safer and easier then, and they may change! Hey, couldn't resist!
As for fitting in? I didn't come here TO fit in, but rather because I feel I already do. I was just making a point. HEY, if I met with some of you guys and gals and found that we could understand one another without any of us having to dial things down, or avoiding things, that would be PARADISE as far as I am concerned. MALE, FEMALE, STRAIGHT, or ASEXUAL, doesn't matter. Heck, if a few homosexuals were thrown into the mix that would be ok also.
It would take a bit to hurt a TRUE paradise!
HEY, I should get SOME credit for not saying anything insulting about comorbid problems, etc... Ther but for the grace of (put diety or whatever here) go I! Then again, I am far from perfect also. Heck, I've said I'm actually trying to get the "disorder" to be, in some ways, more like it was. I'm not even as good as *I* was in some respects! Still, it's a pity that you can't just take the good and leave the bad behind. 8-(
As for the statement about ALEX? Just made to make a point that AS and homosexuality weren't tied that close. Just one example.
Steve