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AnushkaB
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26 Jul 2017, 6:54 pm

Based on his manifesto "My Twisted World. The Story of Elliot Rodger" what do you think?

Was he NT or autistic? I'm not allowed to post URLs but his manifesto is available online.

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http://abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/ ... -World.pdf

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... festo.html



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26 Jul 2017, 7:15 pm

Not a question up for debate, really.
He received a diagnosis for Asperger's when he was younger, according to press reports referring to his medical and psychiatric history.

I mean, we can debate whether it was a fair diagnosis or he had other underlying issues, or that maybe he was just a misdiagnosed NT with anger issues. But the above fact remains. He was diagnosed as such.


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26 Jul 2017, 7:36 pm

One psych hired by a parent thought he had it, the psych hired by the other parent did not think he had it. Some early reports said he was diagnosed but later versions of the articles this was taken out.

I read his entire manifesto at the time and came to the conclusion he was not autistic. He was not at all shy about discussing his mental issues. He discussed his therapist. Not once did he mention an Autism Spectrum Disorder. He had quite the undestanding of social hierarchy and had litte difficulty making friends up until puberty or so.

What came out again again was misogyny based on a sense of entitlement to sex.


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26 Jul 2017, 7:38 pm

No matter if he was autistic or NT, the fact that he murdered people transcends either the autism or the "normality."

Why the fascination with him?



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26 Jul 2017, 7:40 pm

He claimed being rejected by women but it never actually happened.

Because he never actually approached any single girl in his entire life.

Watch this You Tube video, especially from 9:58 onwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP-zqBsvxno#t=9m58s



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26 Jul 2017, 7:41 pm

Same fascination as with any serial killer or mass murderer; it is a study into the human psyche.

I dunno, I believe he was ASD. If you see him on the video. The way he talks, mannerisms, the monologues..


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26 Jul 2017, 7:47 pm

No excuse for murdering people---because he couldn't get chicks.

He just had nasty viewpoints all around.



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26 Jul 2017, 7:51 pm

I think being homicidal was his primary condition.



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26 Jul 2017, 7:58 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
because he couldn't get chicks.


The most interesting part of this story, is that he could get chicks.

He just never tried getting them. Watch the video I recommended.

kraftiekortie wrote:
He just had nasty viewpoints all around.


His manifesto is worth reading. There isn't anything super nasty there.



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26 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm

I got rejected by chicks, too.

All through my first three years of high school, I was bullied and laughed at. I had no friends. I lived a solitary existence.

I did a little, but not much better in my senior year.

I told myself that I had to improve myself, rather than think that people had to "give me a chance."

I really didn't think I was all that "inadequate." I thought I had to present my adequacies better.

He just decided to create this ideology, an ideology of "entitlement." This has lead to some notions posited here on WrongPlanet pertaining to men feeling "entitled" to sex, "entitled" to romance, whatever.

He really wasn't a bad-looking person. He just had extremely distorted views of things. And he probably wasn't a pleasant person to be around. He had no insight into himself.



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26 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I got rejected by chicks, too.


He was never rejected by any chick. He never asked any girl out.



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26 Jul 2017, 8:02 pm

But why....why didn't he ask any girls out?

I don't see the sense in that.

There was something terribly wrong there.

And the guy probably didn't listen to people, either.



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26 Jul 2017, 8:05 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But why....why didn't he ask any girls out?

I don't see the sense in that.


He expected girls to approach him and to ask him out.

And he felt rejected because they weren't doing that.



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26 Jul 2017, 8:07 pm

Do you think that sort of thought-pattern makes any sense?

What caused this very distorted view of life?

I don't think it was Asperger's, by the way.



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26 Jul 2017, 8:08 pm

EzraS wrote:
I think being homicidal was his primary condition.

LOL! Side effects of being a supreme gentleman.

kraftie, you're right. It is ridiculous. There is no sense in it.

But think of how many other men you've seen develop a foregone conclusion that they have been rejected before they have even found out the truth or before they've even gone up to a girl to find out if they like them or not. These are topics that come up in these forums every day.

It was all in his mind.

Or...what Anushka said.


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26 Jul 2017, 8:16 pm

The man was a dangerous individual. I'm glad he's not with us any more.

I hope people don't use him as some sort of "example," or see him as some sort of "hero."

And he wasn't "dangerous" in a thrilling sense; he was dangerous in a really deranged, self-abasing sense.