Does even a minor injustice really upset/anger you?
Rudy Simone's Female Asperger Syndrome Traits list includes the trait "Hates injustice and hates to be misunderstood: this can incite anger and rage".
So does even a minor injustice really wind you up? As always, my poll choices aim to differentiate between female/mild ASD people and others since I'd like to understand that side of things better.
For myself, injustice is a really big deal. I always(!) fight for the underdog and I'll go out of my way to stick up for other people/animals/things if necessary, including putting my head over the parapet to the point of losing jobs when things get really bad. My principles are all-important to me. The only time I wouldn't stick by them is if the fight's physical since I'm a pacifist, wimp and I'd get highly anxious. But then I'd feel really bad about it afterwards.
I'm also in a state of chronic upset-ness over a string of injustices I personally experienced at work last year. I ruminate on the situation/memories regularly and get myself really angry or depressed. The salt in the wound is that although my two closest colleagues (who I regard as almost the only friends I have) have agreed that what happened was unjust, they have also stated specifically that they won't get involved and continue to enjoy happy relationships with those who hurt me. It really rankles that they won't stick up for me and for what's 'right', when I would and have done so for them. Consequently I have a constant niggle that my "best friends" are actually traitors, but I have to get along with them regardless because I work with them.
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Reading the Mind in the Eyes: 32
RAADS-R: 85
RDOS Aspie score: 115/200; NT score: 79/200
I don't think this is limited to females. I've seen other threads on WP about this. It makes sense to me that people who usually are the underdog would have a low tolerance for injustice. The only differences between me and you is I'm male, I would have cut off the 2 'friends' because I would no longer be able to see them as friends, and I'm not a pacifist. I've lost friends, jobs, and romantic relationships over this issue. In a society that's all about turning a blind eye, a sense of justice and poor impulse control are definitely a bad combination
Interesting comments, I have responses for a few different parts:
- I'm sorry if you felt I was excluding males. That wasn't the intention at all and I totally agree that this trait is likely to affect males to a significant degree too. The only reason I haven't specified males in the question is because 1. I'm specifically interested in female presentation; 2. I feel it's important to have an ambiguous gender option for those who'd prefer not to pick a specific female/male category; 3. Adding numerous poll options on WP is tedious and longwinded and makes the poll increasinly unwieldy for respondents. However, I'm trying to refine the options I provide and will likely change it next time.
- It does make sense that people who are usually the underdog would have low tolerance for injustice, but I think it's more than just that. I'm probably quite rare here in that I can't really categorically say I've been bullied and I get by with other people okay on the whole. I wouldn't generally consider myself a victim and when I am a doormat I'm very aware that it's usually entirely my own doing. However, my injustice radar is still a very powerful one.
- I guess I do have impulse control though I do admire those who have the guts to just walk away from stuff they don't like. I work in a very small industry and would really struggle to get another job if I lost this one, especially given the recession, and I have no back-up. Consequently, cutting off my colleagues really isn't an option, but I'd run away and change my phone number tomorrow if it was. I am job hunting, but until something turns up, I guess I have to keep things smooth at work or I'd just make everything even harder for myself.
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AQ: 32 (up to 37 when answering instinctively); EQ: 21 - 24; SQ: 31
Reading the Mind in the Eyes: 32
RAADS-R: 85
RDOS Aspie score: 115/200; NT score: 79/200
I do get very aggravated, and upset at even small injustices, and I used to be prone to outbursts because of it, but to be honest I'm used to it, and I can control my emotions better now.
I'm also very interested in the female presentation of AS, so I will watch your threads with interest.
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Your Aspie score: 150 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 44 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie.
I'm male, and I do get irritated by even minor injustices (if there is such a thing).
However, I try to be cautious to not respond to perceived injustices that are simply a mistaken perception.
There are some people who assume anything that doesn't work out is an injustice. As an example, I once heard someone talk about Christianity and they proclaimed, "You can tell if you are true Christians if you are persecuted." The fact is ignored (by some) that they could be bringing on persecution for a reason other than their religion (like being a self-righteous twit, or being unjust themselves).
I strongly believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome... Although I do think that extra actions are needed at times to level the playing field.
There's no reason to specify gender in this issue.
OT: Yes, I get very much upset.
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Your Aspie score: 185 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 14 of 200
The Broad Autism Phenotype Test: You scored 132 aloof, 126 rigid and 132 pragmatic. IQ: 139. AQ: 45/50
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I don't know how to describe the emotions I feel about injustice. "Anger" isn't the right word, but I don't know what the right word could be. The best description I can think of is that I see that someone is doing the wrong thing, and I think they should stop and try to understand why it is wrong and do the right thing instead.
When I react, people take me to be angry, upset, overly emotional, but I don't really feel any of these things.
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I don't like injustice, and whenever I see it I must do something or turn away if not possible. Can't stand it.
For another example, the fact that you forgot to mention males with moderate to severe ASD in your poll annoyed me a bit
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The incompleteness of the poll selections are a minor injustice that disturbs me. Where is the option of moderate male with ASD?
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I get extremely upset about minor injustices! I seem to have a lot of issues with my emotional control with my reactions to stuff, and this is definitely a trigger. I am very into what is fair and what is not. It can be a good thing too, because it means that I am likely to follow rules if I see how they are logically fair, compared with others who might not care and disrespect them.
"But that's not fair!" is a phrase that feels rather familiar to me!
As the creator of the poll I totally agree with you. However, it was a kind of compromise I came up with to try and avoid several other common injustices which really wind me up. But I'm really not happy with the solution I went with so I think I'm going to have to be annoyingly and narrow-mindedly conventional next time.
For example, if I went with standard options for Females with mild and with severe ASD and then options for Males with mild and with severe ASD, where would the following people go?
1.People who identify as being on the spectrum but who don't want to specify mild or severe because they either don't know or they're a bit different in some way. I felt an 'other' category was a useful catch-all for this group which inevitably exists no matter how clear-cut you try to make things.
2.People who identify as neither male nor female. Or who don't know if I'm asking about anatomical, cognitive or emotional gender classification etc. I have issues with gender identity myself and I think people like this have a really hard time every single day when they're constantly forced to allocate themselves one of two very narrow labels.
Ideally I would cut the whole gender thing or at least not provide so many nice categories for females. However, my reason for asking this question is because I'm specifically interested in female/mild presentation so I need a breakdown of some sort that will show those differences. As it is, I feel everyone can find an option in the poll to suit them - moderate-severe ASD males would be the most likely users of the 'other' category, but it can also provide an option for the people mentioned above. The only other way would be to create a ridiculously long list of poll options every single time which is really tedious on WP since the page refreshes every time a new one is added. I also thought responders might find a really long list confusing or annoying too. But maybe not.
Anyway, sorry for such a long response. In conclusion I think I'll end up doing exactly what you suggest next time much as that seems like just another gross injustice, but the kind no one notices because it's so intrinsic to everyday life. Or is it just me who has a problem with this sort of thing? I felt people on WP might be more likely to relate to the whole identity pigeon-holing problem - I'd be interested to know.
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AQ: 32 (up to 37 when answering instinctively); EQ: 21 - 24; SQ: 31
Reading the Mind in the Eyes: 32
RAADS-R: 85
RDOS Aspie score: 115/200; NT score: 79/200
I used to be quite a morality-driven person in the past
but now I don't care about all this "justice" you speak about
well, I do get angry when autistic person is bullied, or when normal speaks their usual normal bs but that's due to personal reasons, not a sense of justice of any sort
"Hates injustice and hates to be misunderstood: this can incite anger and rage".
I can completely agree with this! Ever since I was a little kid, even if the person that was receiving the injustice shrugged it off, I got very upset by it. Man, I especially hate it when the person that isn't being treated fairly refuses to let you stick up for them... ugh. I've also been very disappointed in the past, at times when I thought I'd found people who shared a similar passion for justice... and it turned out they only wanted to LOOK like they cared. Stupid people caring more about how they appear than about things that are actually WRONG with the world!
And hating to be misunderstood... That actually just happened yesterday. I gave a polite reminder to a waitress when it seemed that she forgot something, which she then promptly went and got, but for some reason my brother thought I was being rude for even saying anything. It escalated into a huge argument and I ended up locking myself in the bathroom for ten minutes because I had a melt-down... I'm still refusing to talk to him, just because I expect him to understand I don't do things for the reasons he claimed I did. Gah, why are other people so narrow-minded when it comes to guessing other people's intentions? Maybe with other NTs they're right, but I don't have the same motivations that others do. They assume I'm controlled by an ego, or after a guy, or something else people are "usually" motivated by... and they refuse to believe you when you say that you're not. No wonder I get so tired of dealing with people!
...In fact, if people stopped jumping to conclusions and misunderstanding each other, I bet we'd have a lot fewer injustices to get upset over...
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