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I have seen far too many posts on here about diagnosing celebrities with autism and people basically taking autism as a way of completely defining themselves. It is not meant to be used for that, it is meant to be used for understanding ourselves and using it to help adapt to society so our passions can help others. The only celebrity that seems to have autism to me is Kurt Cobain, but that's a whole other topic and I'd be a hypocrite to continue what I am frustrated about.

This forum to me is a place to bond through interests, not talk about who is/what is autistic. It is not the entirety of your being. I understand brief obsession to learn more about it but after that it is just holding your thoughts back and is basically you making it your whole identity.

Many people do the same when they are gay or countercultural and I am just as annoyed with those people. Humans are not fragmented parts of their genetics/beliefs.

Seriously, enough posts telling other people what to post and how to think.

I agree. Autism, to me, is just an artificial construct we use to help others understand us.

Not telling people how to think. I am just making a forum for discussion about how and why such things are. It annoys me to see a place I feel I belong to be a bunch of people that take one part of their personality and forge an identity from it alone.

You've started two threads recently telling others that they're basically living with their AS the wrong way. As long as we're talking about what annoys us, that annoys me.

Fair enough, but it annoys me that the two things I have discussed can objectively lower quality of life and cause obsessions with things that don't help society.

One might say that telling an oppressed minority not to be angry (and comparing them to Hitler if they are) is condoning oppression. One might also say that telling said minority not to make their status as such part of their identity does the same. It is not difficult to make the case that the person who feels the need to do this has actually internalized the bigotry of the majority and is in denial.

I have said in my last post that 1) misanthropy in extreme cases leads to how Hitler was and that b) Aspergians tend to be more peaceful and would probably at worst shoot up a workplace and only in the most extreme cases. I was saying that misanthropy leads to thoughts of complete lack of faith in people, not "comparing an oppressed minority to Hitler."

I have said that I am a polite misanthrope as well. It sucks but without co-operation there is no way of resolving differences.

Nonperson, are you here to yell at me or do you actually have anything to contribute to the original topic? Misquoting me won't help you make me doubt myself; humanity has to come together to be at its strongest. Vide infra. The melting pot idea is working.

If you did not intend to compare them, you didn't need to mention Hitler.

I am contributing to the thread. If this thread is contributing to the forum ("making a forum for discussion" as you say) by criticizing the attitudes of those here, you must admit that my criticism of the OP is also a contribution. I've said my piece, though. You're obviously not receptive, but at least I could mention why I found your posts problematic.

Maybe the trend to try and identify well known, sucessful people with ASD in these forums is more because some people like knowing that, despite having ASD, these people lived a great life, were happy and acheived the things they saught to acheive. And maybe knowing this gives some comfort to those that may be struggling with the diagnosis of ASD.

Just the same as I came to this forum looking for people like me. It is very encouraging to know I have as good a chance as Kurt Cobain at being successful...as long as you ignore the part where he killed himself...which, I guess he was technically successful at as well.

In a way I kind of agree with you. I become obsessed with this site way too easily and it's easy to fall into the whole AS obsession thing. I'm usually not on as much as I was before and when I go to school I'll probably be on even less. I don't find it healthy to be on this site too much because it's easy to fall into the whole AS is a disability thing when it doesn't really have to be. I will have my days where I'm on here for a lot of the day which I think is fine, I'm just trying to cut down on constantly being here day after day which I think is unhealthy to me personally.

Maybe we some of us have an interest, in finding celebrities with autism, and deciding weather or not, they have it?

But it's not your life. You don't know from the way people type on a forum how they function in the real world. A person who can communicate here may be non verbal and/or unable to live independently. Are they defining themselves with autism or does autism affect their lives so much that they can't separate themselves from it? You have absolutely no say in what will improve or lower another persons quality of life. QOL is subjective and what seems to lower QOL for you can be an improvement for another person.

Furthermore people are not obligated to limit their activities to things that "help society". Especially considering many people on this forum have been pissed on by society (public and private).

Last but not least... Obsessive interest are a defining part of ASDs. You're surprised that people on an ASD forum become obsessively interested in ASD?

As for the 'autistic celeb' thing.... I see nothing wrong with it. People entertain themselves with speculation. If you feel that people on this forum should strive to fit in to society the celeb posts are a good start; afterall NTs spend half they're live worrying about what hat their favorite celeb wore to the beach. There are many magazines devoted to this crap. So there ya go, people who speculate about celeb aspiness are exhibiting behavior that's pretty normal in this society. Don't hate, congratulate.

I thought your posts were good Nonperson.

If that ain't the truth....Celebrities are a major obsession for many NTs.

I think the great thing about a forum like this is that no one is under any obligation to read any thread that they do not wish to read. I skip right by the ones that I know will annoy me because...I'm powerful like that. LOL!

I think another great thing about a forum like this is that there is more than one POV and sometimes you can learn from someone with a different POV, even if they don't change your mind on a single thing.

I think people discuss autism a lot because this is a forum specifically designated for discussing autism.

When I get tired of discussing autism, I go somewhere else.

Just sayin'