What do people here think of AS nationalism

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22 Aug 2012, 8:26 pm

I'm very neutral. I am not an AS supremacist/nationalistic myself or do I plan on becoming one. I am also against nationalism/supremacy in general. Are there any here? If so, would it be considered as much strong an evil as say white supremacy?



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22 Aug 2012, 8:47 pm

any supremacist group is wrong be it white supremacist, black supremacist, Zionist, it does not mater. it always leads to group thinking, thinking of people in groups instead of the individual is a dangerous way to think.



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22 Aug 2012, 8:54 pm

There is a big difference between Nationalism and Supremecy.


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22 Aug 2012, 9:02 pm

Nationalism is just loyalty, or dedication, to your country (or whichever "group" you belong to). That doesn't necessarily mean you consider your group supreme (i.e. better) to all others



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22 Aug 2012, 9:05 pm

I agree with Chris5000, I think all supremacists are wrong. What kind of wrong is irrelevant. And I'm not sure there are varying degrees of wrongness (as in one kind of supremacist is worse than the rest). Supremacism involves devaluing another human being, most frequently based on characteristics that they have no control over. And very often, the supremacist is placing themselves above others based on characteristics they--also--have no control over. I find it personally distasteful to boast or gloat over something you came by naturally through no more than being born.


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22 Aug 2012, 9:43 pm

I think the original question here may have been presented too strongly??

What about the brass tacks of the matter? Is AS a badge of honor? Certainly for anyone who has dealt with it their entire lives, I would say NO. I personally could not elevate it to that level when the effects have tried to get in the way or ruin every important event in my life.

Are NT's the enemy? certainly not. They just possess the same kind of ignorance and disregard toward us like if you put a baby in front of a textbook. As annoying as it may get, it is not intentional, just a part of life.

Aspies banding together isn't altogether a bad thing, though. I think there is a group near me that takes walks and eats at Chinese restaurants, etc. Haven't tried them yet, but I think it would be a bit more relaxing around people like me who spout out random facts about stuff out there in the field in a less judgemental environment than average.


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22 Aug 2012, 10:04 pm

AS isn't a nation, so there can be no 'AS nationalists'.



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22 Aug 2012, 10:28 pm

Supremacist? No, different does not have to mean either better or worse, and I don't have a problem with NTs as long as they don't have a problem with me.

Nationalist? Never heard of that in connection with AS. Do you mean people with AS should have their own nation? Hmm... tempting. But who would be the diplomats? :lol:



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22 Aug 2012, 10:48 pm

That would be an interesting country.



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22 Aug 2012, 11:07 pm

Personally I don't associate myself with 99.99% of the population. I don't concern myself with what they think/do/want. So when it comes down to issues of nationalism or supremacy I generally think "Do whatever you want." Not because I agree or disagree with a system or theory or idea, but mostly because I don't care. I tend to think of myself as someone who watches on the outside-in on every issue from politics to religion to what sort of coffee tastes best.

None of it really matters a whole lot to me.



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22 Aug 2012, 11:44 pm

"Nationalism" refers to the belief that one's own country is better than all the rest. It can range from innocuous patriotic pride to the sort of thing that caused a couple of world wars because everybody believed that their own country was better than everybody else, and thus they could not possibly lose a war... WWI especially... So nationalism can be a very, very dangerous thing.

Aspie supremacist? Heck no. Autistics are equals. We are not superior; we are not inferior. We should insist on our rights--we should insist on being respected--but we should not gain an advantage at the expense of the rights of any other group. That's part of why it makes me so angry when autistic people brag about their special abilities with the intention of proving their superiority to other disabled people, or proving that "autism isn't really a disability" or "autism actually makes you better than NTs". When you say stuff like that, you're saying it's okay to be autistic because you have all these skills, because you're better than all those disabled people over there who really are pitiful and incapable. When you do that, when you say that autistic people are better (smarter, more honest, more persistent, less spiteful, whatever)--you are pushing all other disabled people down and climbing on top of them to get ahead. That is an absolutely despicable thing to do.


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23 Aug 2012, 3:54 am

Ridiculous.

We can barely listen to one another.

Just saying.


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23 Aug 2012, 7:50 am

SavageMessiah wrote:
Aspies banding together isn't altogether a bad thing, though. I think there is a group near me that takes walks and eats at Chinese restaurants, etc. Haven't tried them yet, but I think it would be a bit more relaxing around people like me who spout out random facts about stuff out there in the field in a less judgemental environment than average.


Go ahead and give it a swing, if you're interested. BUT don't go in with too high of an excpectation of an all-autistic environment.

When I tried my first autistics get-together, I thought I would end up in a room full of people who were all 'just like me', in all the ways that mattered, at least. The truth was very different. It's still fun, but I wouldn't say I get along with everyone like a house on fire.


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23 Aug 2012, 10:05 am

Callista wrote:
"Nationalism" refers to the belief that one's own country is better than all the rest.


Not really. It can, in fact, also mean what I said.

"Nationalism is a political ideology that involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a nation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
"The term “nationalism” is generally used to describe two phenomena: (1) the attitude that the members of a nation have when they care about their national identity, and (2) the actions that the members of a nation take when seeking to achieve (or sustain) self-determination." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalism/
"na·tion·al·ism
   [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA
noun
1.
national spirit or aspirations.
2.
devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3.
excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4.
the desire for national advancement or independence.
5.
the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations. "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism

"AS nationalism" could very well mean the desire for an AS nation. In fact, it kind of has to, since there isn't already one that it could refer to (although I'm pretty sure that's not what the OP meant, and that he was actually referring to chauvinism).