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22 Aug 2012, 5:42 pm

I can't imagine it being too effective to let some kid know that he has a pervasive development disorder.....it's basically telling someone that all their difficulties, all their insecurities are because they're broken in some way..... come up with a new name for godsakes.....


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22 Aug 2012, 5:44 pm

I like the name. Pervasive means it affects all of your life; developmental means you have atypical development; disorder refers to the significant impairment you deal with when you have one.

What I'd like to change is the implication that having a disorder must mean you are broken; that having a disability makes your life worse than other people's; that if you are autistic you are not as good as normal. That's what I want to change. A name like "pervasive developmental disorder" doesn't bother me at all.


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22 Aug 2012, 5:50 pm

Callista wrote:
I like the name. Pervasive means it affects all of your life; developmental means you have atypical development; disorder refers to the significant impairment you deal with when you have one.

What I'd like to change is the implication that having a disorder must mean you are broken; that having a disability makes your life worse than other people's; that if you are autistic you are not as good as normal. That's what I want to change. A name like "pervasive developmental disorder" doesn't bother me at all.


I agree. To me it just describes the nature of the condition. But, if he's talking about telling a kid, well the kid might not understand and it might sound a little scary.



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22 Aug 2012, 6:14 pm

I dunno.....I see where you guys are coming from, but....something in my gut doesn't like it. The word pervasive sounds like something that is unwanted and aggressive, and disorder suggests something that is out of order......I know it's not supposed to sound negative, and if you understand it that's cool, maybe I would rather be called "eccentric" than anything else.


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22 Aug 2012, 6:29 pm

knowbody15 wrote:
I dunno.....I see where you guys are coming from, but....something in my gut doesn't like it. The word pervasive sounds like something that is unwanted and aggressive, and disorder suggests something that is out of order......I know it's not supposed to sound negative, and if you understand it that's cool, maybe I would rather be called "eccentric" than anything else.


I think I understand how you can see it as cold and uncaring but I think the term is used mostly in the clinical setting. Most people have probably never heard PDD. It's kind of a personal thing really, like for me the word aspie makes me cringe but so many people are comfortable with it that I grit my teeth and accept the word.



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22 Aug 2012, 7:04 pm

Sounds better than "He's Autistic.." to me. That really meant basketcase in my youth, or Deaf DUMB Blind. Probably ret*d..
Pervasive Developmental Disorder? Sounds almost harmless in comparison!

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22 Aug 2012, 7:12 pm

Callista wrote:
I like the name. Pervasive means it affects all of your life; developmental means you have atypical development; disorder refers to the significant impairment you deal with when you have one.

What I'd like to change is the implication that having a disorder must mean you are broken; that having a disability makes your life worse than other people's; that if you are autistic you are not as good as normal. That's what I want to change. A name like "pervasive developmental disorder" doesn't bother me at all.


Yes, YES...this is exactly what I want to have changed, too.


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22 Aug 2012, 7:26 pm

It could be worse, PDD doesn't really imply anything. Borderline personality disorder is an example of something badly named.


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22 Aug 2012, 7:29 pm

knowbody15 wrote:
I dunno.....I see where you guys are coming from, but....something in my gut doesn't like it. The word pervasive sounds like something that is unwanted and aggressive, and disorder suggests something that is out of order......I know it's not supposed to sound negative, and if you understand it that's cool, maybe I would rather be called "eccentric" than anything else.

Yeah, but if someone wants to get their kid an individualized education program at school, or if an adult wants accommodations at work, then being labelled "eccentric" isn't going to cut it. There's going to have to be some scary words in the name for people to take it seriously, I think. "Eccentric" sounds more like a 'lifestyle choice.'



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22 Aug 2012, 7:31 pm

Pervasive in the ways outlined.



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23 Aug 2012, 1:22 pm

All true statements......perhaps you guys have changed my mind a bit. I still like the idea of lessening the gap between someone diagnosed and a "normal" person. If a diagnosis made someone feel even more isolated, I suppose that isn't the fault of the name of the diagnosis. On a personal level, I've decided not to tell anyone but close friends and family, and never disclose it at a job. BUT, I'm not thinking of all the degrees of severity, people have it rougher than I do.


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24 Aug 2012, 5:41 pm

My son was recently diagnosed with PDD-NOS. The PDD part doesn't bother me so much as the NOS (Not Otherwise Specified). It is too vague-sounding. I really need specifics to be able to grasp something like this.


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24 Aug 2012, 6:57 pm

knowbody15 wrote:
I dunno.....I see where you guys are coming from, but....something in my gut doesn't like it. The word pervasive sounds like something that is unwanted and aggressive, and disorder suggests something that is out of order......I know it's not supposed to sound negative, and if you understand it that's cool, maybe I would rather be called "eccentric" than anything else.


agree with you on the "pervasive" part. I don't know if it's because the word "pervasive" and "pervert" share a common negative connotation or what, but I simply dislike it. Can't it be called comprehensive (as in "comprehensive exam") atypical development disorder or simply "atypical development disorder" with a numerical grading system based on severity?



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24 Aug 2012, 7:06 pm

LtlPinkCoupe wrote:
Callista wrote:
I like the name. Pervasive means it affects all of your life; developmental means you have atypical development; disorder refers to the significant impairment you deal with when you have one.

What I'd like to change is the implication that having a disorder must mean you are broken; that having a disability makes your life worse than other people's; that if you are autistic you are not as good as normal. That's what I want to change. A name like "pervasive developmental disorder" doesn't bother me at all.


Yes, YES...this is exactly what I want to have changed, too.


Exactly. I agree with this. I think society needs to start teaching that differences in cognitive procesess are a blessing. That this is what makes the world better. If we all thought the same. If no one was obsessed with things or really liked things sometimes a bit more than conversation, we would all still be sitting in caves discussing lightning.

I for one think the inventor of the wheel was autistic.



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24 Aug 2012, 10:10 pm

I think "pervasive developmental disorder" fits the bill for the reasons Callista stated. What I'm getting annoyed with is how there's this growing idea that ASDs are "a difference, not a disorder." While I'm very anti-cure for ANY neuropsych disorder and am all for celebrating neurodiversity, ASDs most certainly are a disorder. They cause problems in functioning and problems in the very important realm of socialization, simple as that. We with ASDs don't process stimuli the way we should. We don't merely process stimuli differently. We process stimuli in a way that is not advantageous, evolutionarily speaking.


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25 Aug 2012, 12:29 am

knowbody15 wrote:
I dunno.....I see where you guys are coming from, but....something in my gut doesn't like it. The word pervasive sounds like something that is unwanted and aggressive, and disorder suggests something that is out of order......I know it's not supposed to sound negative, and if you understand it that's cool, maybe I would rather be called "eccentric" than anything else.


Pervasive just means that it's everywhere - or in our case, that it affects everything about us. The word doesn't carry the emotional connotation that you're applying to it.

And yes, disorder suggests something that is out of order. I have no issue with this. It is actually a huge relief to know this, instead of struggling to function while not understanding why I cannot.