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31 Aug 2012, 10:45 pm

OK. It's a bit of a heavy subject. But the thought just crept into my mind (again).

I sometimes think of dying. Not that I am about to, though I am a little depressed because of circumstances. But when I think of dying, fear just spreads in my body and it feels like in my head there is a very large bell sounding loudly and it's terrifying me.

I just can't imagine myself not being alive. Not being aware of myself. Not seeing things. Not being able to touch and feel. Somehow I just can't imagine myself being mortal. It just freaks me out when I'm thinking of this.

Well, I might be able to imagine it to something like sleeping. But when I go to bed, I know I'm going to wake up the next day. Then thinking of this, I know that at some point in my life I'll be very afraid of going to bed if I knew that I'd be getting old and could die any moment.

I wish there would be something like the next level or a certainty that it just wouldn't end. But then you're coming in the realm of religion and although I believe, I doubt a lot, too.

I'm really trying not to think of this and getting my mind of this.

Maybe it's because the situation that I'm in that is making me think like this. I'm going to a seriously rough period of my life in where I have no certainties at all anymore.

Anyone else who wants to share his/her thoughts about this?



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31 Aug 2012, 10:54 pm

I also think of death in very much the same way you do, it's terrifying and I can't even imagine non-existence. What is worse is I once believed in an after-life and believed that people who didn't believe in the right god would be tortured forever in the after-life. Even though I don't believe in an after-life anymore, I still think about the concept of Hell I once believed in and become terrified all over again, since I can't be certain what will or will not happen to me after death.

By the way, I think you may have posted this in the wrong group since it would probably belong in the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion section. But now that I've posted here, I don't think deleting will be an option anymore, but I'm sure the moderators of the site will realize you made a mistake by posting in the wrong area and might just move it.



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31 Aug 2012, 11:27 pm

there is no life after life. i abhor death. i try to be philosophical about it. we will still be stardust. just on the miniscule chance that there is a loving god, i believe he would accept EVERYONE in heaven, even hitler, who would spend his first six million years washing jewish feet and loving it.



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01 Sep 2012, 12:28 am

Thanatophobia. I know this quite well. The fear of one's own demise...The mere fact of nonexistence is what is most frightening of all. I have always wished to be somehow rendered immortal and corporeal (unlike what some religions teach). Unfortunately, neither will likely ever happen.



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01 Sep 2012, 12:33 am

I am terrified by the thought of death as well.



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01 Sep 2012, 12:37 am

The human mind comes equipped with a defense mechanism against such thoughts. When the defense is not working well, it means you're very depressed and need meds / therapy / support, whatever helps you to lift the depression as much as possible. You don't need to suffer from these thoughts, they're useless, don't serve any purpose, not to mention they're a waste of important energies. Just seek help for common depression, in the way you prefer that help to be. I'm talking from my personal experience.

Also, in middle age and later, the zest for life diminishes and though one's death remains forever a scary thought, of course, it doesn't cause such strong feelings as in younger years.


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01 Sep 2012, 12:41 am

Occaisionally I'll have these thoughts as well myself, but they're usually fleeting. I tend not to focus on it for very long.

While I'm not the religious sort, I am the rare sort that actually admits to NOT KNOWING what happens after death. Alot of people are certain that they know, for example, "There's definitely no afterlife!" is something you hear alot these days. But the simple, absolute, indisputable fact is: They do not know this for certain. It's IMPOSSIBLE to know this.

IS there something beyond death? Heck if I know. Is there a God? Or perhaps many gods? Or perhaps something else that nobody's even thought of yet? Could be, could be..... I have no idea.

Even "non-existence" isnt necessarily final, which is another thought I've had. Consider: Every single person on the planet has already been through it. Before you were born, you did not exist (probably). Yet bam, here you are now.


Either way though, I for one just admit that I do not know the answers to the "big" questions. And I also know that despite what science-types like to think, the truth is, we only know very little about this universe and everything related to it as of yet. There's so much we DONT know. Always bugs me when people say things in such a way, assuming that they DO know, and of COURSE they must be right. And of course nearly everyone does this to some extent. I wish more people would simply admit to NOT knowing things, instead of always assuming that they do. And I dont mean in relation to this particular subject, I mean just in general.

So that's usually how I view the concept of death: I havent the foggiest idea what it's like, or what exactly happens, so I see no real point in worrying about it. As it is, I usually ponder things like this entirely out of sheer boredom. This particular topic doesnt come up for me very much though. Usually I'd rather ponder things like the general lunacy that is quantum mechanics, or stuff like that, heh.



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01 Sep 2012, 12:56 am

there is no proof, but lots of evidence, that there is no life after life. i suggest you read bertram russell's "why i am not a christian". contrast that to the total lack of evidence besides warm fuzzy feelings that any religion can offer and you will conclude that the immortal soul has a miniscule probability of existence. you are right that we can't know for sure, but we can make a mighty good guess.



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01 Sep 2012, 2:17 am

I am not afraid of death its self, but dying yeah sure, who isn't? I see it like this, before i was alive, I was dead or not in existence for 13.7 BILLION years. It never once bothered or inconvenienced me. I had no sense of time, I wasn't bored waiting to exist so I don't see why I should be concerned about not existing again. If I want to imagine what its like to not exist, i just try to imagine 1989, I didn't exist then.



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01 Sep 2012, 2:29 am

cherrycoke wrote:
I am not afraid of death its self, but dying yeah sure, who isn't? I see it like this, before i was alive, I was dead or not in existence for 13.7 BILLION years. It never once bothered or inconvenienced me. I had no sense of time, I wasn't bored waiting to exist so I don't see why I should be concerned about not existing again. If I want to imagine what its like to not exist, i just try to imagine 1989, I didn't exist then.


My point pretty much exactly. That's the conclusion I came to as well: Non-existence cant be THAT bad, if I've already been through it for some silly amount of time and yet am here just the same, lol. Even if I stop existing, I might randomly exist again later on in some form, for whatever reason. Or something. Who knows? But I dont think it's worth WORRYING about as much as some people do. Or pondering too much. People could be using all of that mental effort on something more productive, like further advancement of Science!! ! and such.



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01 Sep 2012, 4:19 am

The idea of existing again is interesting, but the odds are absolutely ridiculous. Assuming that we are just atoms, and to exist again all that has to happen is for all our atoms to come together again, the odds of that happening is along the lines of 1 in 10^5,000,000. It would take millions of billions of universes to even bring those odds to a reasonable level.

However, there could be an infinite number of universes, but then there is an infinite amount of atoms. Mathematicians, what is the probability of an event if there are an infinite number of variables over an infinite number of tries?

Then again, maybe we don't yet exist. There is more of a chance of us coming into existence right now as you read this, with all our memories intact, all our buildings built, our river beds corroded than there is of the big bang happening.



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01 Sep 2012, 4:31 am

Of course I'm afraid to die. Why wouldn't I be? Once you are dead that's it, it's all over. I'm an atheist so I don't believe in some made up afterlife to comfort me.



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01 Sep 2012, 6:08 am

MiLK wrote:

I wish there would be something like the next level or a certainty that it just wouldn't end. But then you're coming in the realm of religion and although I believe, I doubt a lot, too.



I feel this way, too and when my father passed away I was torn between thinking he was gone forever or moved on to a better place or a new life through reincarnation. There is no logical way to define what happens other than the end of biological function and it is scary. One day you are you, and you have thoughts and your organs function and then, then there is nothing? No thought? You do not even know you are dead because you do not know anything at all anymore?

It does scare me, a lot. I do not think about it often and when I do I have no idea how to feel about it except hope that there is something else we cannot know until we get there. The afterlife does not scare me into being good it motivates me to make sure that at least I will be remembered well, if there will be nothing left of me but what people remember.



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01 Sep 2012, 8:13 am

We all know dying is inevitable for every living being on this planet (unless someone posts a thread here saying ''is it an Aspie thing to die?'' or something :lol: ). But I still know what you mean. I can't imagine myself dead either. It disturbs me that I will never be able to think or feel or anything like that. I will just be oblivious to everything, and just will not exist any more, after all this time of existing. It is a depressing thought. It frightens me even more thinking of how I'm going to die. Like I might walk out one day and be captured by some weirdo and he might strip me naked, throw me into a bush, stab me several times, then throw me down to the bottom of the sea, without anybody ever knowing what happened to me, and that thought scares me because it does happen. And when I hear of those dreadful things happening, I always think, ''oh my God, how was that person feeling, being took away? What was it like, to be beaten up and stabbed to death?''

Also the end of the world thing on 21st of December really frighens me. One minute we're all alive, the next minute we'll all be dead, then the world will go all derelict (watch ''Life After People''), and for the first time ever there won't be anyone to stop the world from becoming abandoned. I know we won't know anything about it, but it's still a disturbing thought while you're alive. I just keep trying to doubt that anything's going to happen on that date, and it's just one of those hypes, and if such a thing was going to happen then everybody would be preparing for it. And somebody told me ''if they can't even predict the weather right, then how do they know when the world's going to end on this precise date and time?''


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01 Sep 2012, 8:32 am

Joe90 wrote:
We all know dying is inevitable for every living being on this planet (unless someone posts a thread here saying ''is it an Aspie thing to die?'' or something :lol: ). But I still know what you mean. I can't imagine myself dead either. It disturbs me that I will never be able to think or feel or anything like that. I will just be oblivious to everything, and just will not exist any more, after all this time of existing. It is a depressing thought. It frightens me even more thinking of how I'm going to die. Like I might walk out one day and be captured by some weirdo and he might strip me naked, throw me into a bush, stab me several times, then throw me down to the bottom of the sea, without anybody ever knowing what happened to me, and that thought scares me because it does happen. And when I hear of those dreadful things happening, I always think, ''oh my God, how was that person feeling, being took away? What was it like, to be beaten up and stabbed to death?''

Also the end of the world thing on 21st of December really frighens me. One minute we're all alive, the next minute we'll all be dead, then the world will go all derelict (watch ''Life After People''), and for the first time ever there won't be anyone to stop the world from becoming abandoned. I know we won't know anything about it, but it's still a disturbing thought while you're alive. I just keep trying to doubt that anything's going to happen on that date, and it's just one of those hypes, and if such a thing was going to happen then everybody would be preparing for it. And somebody told me ''if they can't even predict the weather right, then how do they know when the world's going to end on this precise date and time?''



That "end of the world" thing..... boy am I getting tired of hearing about it. It's one of those things that's kinda gotten old.

Here's the bit that really gets me about this one: These days, you've got SO many people with this absolute obsession with "science" in general. People that dont believe in any gods of any sort, dont believe in spirits, or ghosts, or psychic stuff, or, I dunno, magic or voodoo or whatever..... but these same people hear (from a random source) that "hey, these ancient people from looooooooong ago who had no real technology to speak of and whose knowledge of the world and the sciences was very, very limited, well, they said that something HORRIBLE is gonna happen on such and such date, in a future so far off from where they were that they could not possibly have any idea of what it might contain! So CLEARLY that must be the case! It'll totally happen!" People will believe THIS, but they dont believe in things like ghosts or whatever? Gotta be freaking kidding me.

This is one of those things I try not to think too hard about, lest my brain dribble out my ears.



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01 Sep 2012, 8:35 am

Joe90 wrote:
Also the end of the world thing on 21st of December really frighens me. One minute we're all alive, the next minute we'll all be dead, then the world will go all derelict (watch ''Life After People''), and for the first time ever there won't be anyone to stop the world from becoming abandoned. I know we won't know anything about it, but it's still a disturbing thought while you're alive. I just keep trying to doubt that anything's going to happen on that date, and it's just one of those hypes, and if such a thing was going to happen then everybody would be preparing for it. And somebody told me ''if they can't even predict the weather right, then how do they know when the world's going to end on this precise date and time?''


I assure you nothing will happen on dec 21st 2012. Its just the end date of an ancient calendar which is based on celestial events that our modern day calender is, only it tracked much more celestian objects like Venus. So in that sense its safe to say the world ended on dec 31st last year already when our calendar ends.

If I'm wrong..bah I'll be dead anyway :lol: