The degree of Asperger's Syndrome of these 4 individuals

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11 Sep 2012, 3:41 pm

I found this video of four people with Asperger's Syndrome, my evaluation is the girl suffers from moderate Aspergers with flat voice affect and awkward mannerisms while the three fat guys in this vid have the severe type of Aspergers with mind-blindness, inability to understand sarcasm and sensory issues:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCw9InXPKM[/youtube]



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11 Sep 2012, 4:04 pm

OMG, the voice of the woman putting down the cards is so annoying. I would have to smack her if she talked like that to me.



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11 Sep 2012, 5:17 pm

Very interesting discussion. I agree with your appreciation, cerebrei. I wish we could post here a video of a high functioning aspie, to compare. I think that compared to these 4 examples, I'd fall in the high functioning level.


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11 Sep 2012, 5:38 pm

I thought the two males sitting to the left of the group of three were more high functioning than the one at the far right going on about playing computer games being immature. They seemed to have more insight into things and didn't seem that different to me. The girl seemed very NT in her outlook on life even if she also came across as vulnerable - I easily found her the most annoying although the one talking about video games was also pretty annoying. The other two males seemed relatively ok to me and I'd say they weren't necessarily that different to the girl, it's just that she was being typically female and they had the typical male reticence thing. Men and women communicate in a different way and just because someone doesn't say much or says it awkwardly does not mean they lack intelligence or are necessarily 'more autistic'.

A lot of NT adults play computer games so in itself it's not particularly immature in this day and age as it's so common; as the other male said, it's playing the computer games to the exclusion of anything else that's immature.

The girl is how I imagine a lot of people on here to be tbh lol



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11 Sep 2012, 5:38 pm

My impression is just the opposite: the girl seems more autistic to me than the guys. You can't really evaluate any of them just from the video though, and in the end, the "severity" of autism is subjective.


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11 Sep 2012, 8:52 pm

Didn't watch it, but these are the four most common levels of severity (the author tested thousands of people to come up with this); aloof being the most severe manifestation of HFA/AS to overly formal and stilted being the least. Here:

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Aloof

Most frequent subtype among the lower functioning. Most high-functioning in this group are a mixture of aloof and passive. Limited language use. Copes with life using autistic routines. Most are recognised in childhood. Independence is difficult to achieve. There may be loneliness and sadness beneath the aloofness. Rain Man is an excellent example of this subgroup.

Passive

Often amiable, gentle, and easily led. Those passive rather than aloof from infancy may fit AS. More likely than the aloof to have had a mainstream education, and their psych skill profiles are less uneven. Social approaches passively accepted (little response or show of feelings). Characteristic autistic egocentricity less obvious in this group than in others. Activities are limitied and repetitive, but less so than other autistics. Can react with unexpected anger or distress. Recognition of their autism depends more on observing the absence of the social and creative aspects of normal development than the presence of positive abnormalities. The general amenability is an advantage in work, and they are reliable, but sometimes their passivity and naivete can cause great problems. If undiagnosed, parents and teachers may be disappointed they cannot keep a job at the level predicted from their schoolwork.

Active-but-odd

Can fall in any of the other groups in early childhood. Some show early developmental course of Kanner's, some show AS. Some have the characteristic picture of higher visuospatial abilities, others have better verbal scores (mainly due to wide vocabulary and memory for facts). May be specific learning disorders (e.g., numerical). School placement often difficult. They show social naivete, odd, persistent approaches to others, and are uncooperative in uninteresting tasks. Diagnosis often missed. Tend to look at people too long and hard. Circumscribed interests in subjects are common.

Stilted

Few, if any clues to the underlying subtle handicap upon first meeting. The features of AS are particularly frequent. Early histories vary. Normal range of ability with some peaks of performance. Polite and conventional. Manage well at work. Sometimes pompous and long-winded style of speech. Problems arise in family relationships, where spontaneity and empathy are required. Poor judgement as to the relative importance of different demands on their time. Characteristically pursue interests to the exclusion of everything and everyone else. May have temper tantrums or aggression if routine broken at home, but are polite at work. Diagnosis very often missed. Most attend mainstream schools. Independence achieved in most cases. This group shades into the eccentric end of normality.



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11 Sep 2012, 9:22 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Didn't watch it, but these are the four most common levels of severity (the author tested thousands of people to come up with this); aloof being the most severe manifestation of HFA/AS to overly formal and stilted being the least. Here:

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Aloof

Most frequent subtype among the lower functioning. Most high-functioning in this group are a mixture of aloof and passive. Limited language use. Copes with life using autistic routines. Most are recognised in childhood. Independence is difficult to achieve. There may be loneliness and sadness beneath the aloofness. Rain Man is an excellent example of this subgroup.

Passive

Often amiable, gentle, and easily led. Those passive rather than aloof from infancy may fit AS. More likely than the aloof to have had a mainstream education, and their psych skill profiles are less uneven. Social approaches passively accepted (little response or show of feelings). Characteristic autistic egocentricity less obvious in this group than in others. Activities are limitied and repetitive, but less so than other autistics. Can react with unexpected anger or distress. Recognition of their autism depends more on observing the absence of the social and creative aspects of normal development than the presence of positive abnormalities. The general amenability is an advantage in work, and they are reliable, but sometimes their passivity and naivete can cause great problems. If undiagnosed, parents and teachers may be disappointed they cannot keep a job at the level predicted from their schoolwork.

Active-but-odd

Can fall in any of the other groups in early childhood. Some show early developmental course of Kanner's, some show AS. Some have the characteristic picture of higher visuospatial abilities, others have better verbal scores (mainly due to wide vocabulary and memory for facts). May be specific learning disorders (e.g., numerical). School placement often difficult. They show social naivete, odd, persistent approaches to others, and are uncooperative in uninteresting tasks. Diagnosis often missed. Tend to look at people too long and hard. Circumscribed interests in subjects are common.

Stilted

Few, if any clues to the underlying subtle handicap upon first meeting. The features of AS are particularly frequent. Early histories vary. Normal range of ability with some peaks of performance. Polite and conventional. Manage well at work. Sometimes pompous and long-winded style of speech. Problems arise in family relationships, where spontaneity and empathy are required. Poor judgement as to the relative importance of different demands on their time. Characteristically pursue interests to the exclusion of everything and everyone else. May have temper tantrums or aggression if routine broken at home, but are polite at work. Diagnosis very often missed. Most attend mainstream schools. Independence achieved in most cases. This group shades into the eccentric end of normality.


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11 Sep 2012, 10:05 pm

Being "eccentric" as per #4 in Dilogic's post is quite enough. A tincture of it sets off alarm signals in our fellow compatriots. One amiss in something simple and a one time thing is enough to make a person uncomfortable.

It is disturbing that one can detect others' weaknesses here and likely see what they are objectively; but are unable to enact the change. Everyone here (even @ WP) seems to have that introspective ability. Unfortunately, insight alone doesn't rectify it or modify it.



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12 Sep 2012, 4:38 am

Re the Stilted category, which fits me better than others - "May have temper tantrums or aggression if routine broken at home, but are polite at work." My anger can potentially occur in any situation and certainly isn't confined to home so in my opinion the whole categorisation set is severely flawed. What has happened here is that the people asked to take part in the testing will have been the more socially acceptable people who are easier to interact with as they will be more likely to know more people and hence become aware of the testing opportunity or be asked to take part, so that by default the categories will be biased towards those autistics who fit NT requirements. NTs will always prefer people with autism who can approximate NT behaviour or who are placid enough not to challenge the NT power structure - these are the ones who are used for research/as examples, for the very reason of reinforcing the power structure.

It's like doing a study on how easily mice put weight on and only selecting overweight mice as your trial subjects. I also think anyone's speech would be stilted if they have a lack of opportunities to interact with others as language is modified depending on who you interact with and how often.



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12 Sep 2012, 4:39 am

Hi, thanks for posting this video. To nessa238: I'm just curious, but how does the girl annoy you? I think that no one in the video annoys me.



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12 Sep 2012, 4:42 am

icyfire4w5 wrote:
Hi, thanks for posting this video. To nessa238: I'm just curious, but how does the girl annoy you? I think that no one in the video annoys me.


I was thinking about this this morning and I think it's because I see something of how I myself probably come across to others in her despite not wanting to be like her, hence I don't like her - she represents the vulnerability that is perceived as weakness by NTs that I know I seem to project, which gives me a hard time off others hence I resent that aspect of myself strongly. Another way of looking at it is that having only been diagnosed with AS at age 34, I was seeing myself as more or less 'normal' up to that point hence I have an internal NT side that will react to other people with AS/Autism as an NT does ie I can see myself and others as NTs see us/me and it's hard to deal with as they are often so harsh. I am therefore my own worst critic and project it onto others.
It's me having an identity crisis in other words or being in limbo between the NT and AS world view.



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12 Sep 2012, 4:46 am

Hi nessa238, thanks for clarifying my doubt. On an unrelated note, an NT once confessed that she had the guts to take advantage of me but not others because I seemed so vulnerable as compared to others.



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12 Sep 2012, 4:54 am

icyfire4w5 wrote:
Hi nessa238, thanks for clarifying my doubt. On an unrelated note, an NT once confessed that she had the guts to take advantage of me but not others because I seemed so vulnerable as compared to others.


Exactly - I hate being seen as vulnerable and that people think they can use you as a result. My instinct towards vulnerable people/creatures is to want to protect them. Over the years I've become less vulnerable so I think I have an inner core of steel now which means my outward show of vulnerability is false. It means the NT/anyone who thinks they'll make use of me is sorely mistaken! People who seek to abuse and exploit the vulnerable need teaching a very hard lesson in my opinion.



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12 Sep 2012, 6:34 am

Video confirms my Aspie traits.