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15 Sep 2012, 1:32 am

I got this a few times in the my teen years, a few times as an adult as well. I've also been told I'm cute during both phases of my life: I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder :P I wonder how often this happens to Autists, not so much that we actually are ugly, but maybe because of our behaviours, our eyes, our possible lack of style, or eccentricities, etc.



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15 Sep 2012, 1:47 am

when i was a kid i sometimes was told i looked like a monkey. :oops:



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15 Sep 2012, 2:22 am

Man, using that kind of terminology annoys me.


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15 Sep 2012, 2:33 am

Yep.


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15 Sep 2012, 3:06 am

Yep. I have to say I never said that to anyone else, pretty mean and uncalled for if you ask me.



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15 Sep 2012, 3:12 am

Only once that I can recall and it was from bitter chick on IRC (we were at a time FB friends). I've received the "cute" compliment several times throughout my life. I was also called a "pretty boy" once. The compliments either came the internet or from someone who recently met me. For the latter, it tends to be from flamboyant gay men.

I'm currently trying to improve my appearance to see if anything changes. I've grown out my hair, losing weight and improved my sense of style. I have noticed more smiles, so I think I'm heading in the right direction.



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15 Sep 2012, 3:21 am

I believe so...if I correctly remember, it was by one of my old Secondary school bullies.


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15 Sep 2012, 3:46 am

people have often said that I could be pretty if I would just smile. Not a too small little weird smile like this :) like I always do, but showing my teeth like this :D I tried it for a while but it feels too fake.



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15 Sep 2012, 4:13 am

Trekie wrote:
people have often said that I could be pretty if I would just smile. Not a too small little weird smile like this :) like I always do, but showing my teeth like this :D I tried it for a while but it feels too fake.


I'm the opposite, in the sense that I'm not too bad-looking as long as I don't bare my teeth when smiling, because of my buck teeth and overbite, to tie into another thread! :P I gotta stick with the little smiles.


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15 Sep 2012, 4:39 am

I think the 'ugly' word is often used to convey general dislike as much as specific dislike of how a person looks. It's used to hurt a person as looks are seen as very important to most people.
I think a lot of people with Aspergers/autism look vulnerable so NTs with a predisposition to bully others will often see us as an easy target as we can look different to the norm and we often look very placid hence not likely to answer back. Thus we can get used as target practice by these nasty types. They will be being nasty about all sorts of other people for all different reasons as well though ie they have an unfortunate character type and are best ignored, avoided and forgotten as to get upset from anything they say is giving them what they want.

I've always thought life is very unfair in this respect as it's often the most vulnerable who get targeted the most ie those least equipped to deal with it whereas the stronger ones aren't targeted so get stronger. Therefore I reason that a vulnerable person who withstands and survives bullying is far stronger than someone never bullied as they have never been tested and that if these 'stronger' people were to experience the same level of disrespect and bullying they would soon become less strong ie these people are strong through good fortune, not skill.



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15 Sep 2012, 4:51 am

nessa238 wrote:
I think the 'ugly' word is often used to convey general dislike as much as specific dislike of how a person looks. It's used to hurt a person as looks are seen as very important to most people.
I think a lot of people with Aspergers/autism look vulnerable so NTs with a predisposition to bully others will often see us as an easy target as we can look different to the norm and we often look very placid hence not likely to answer back. Thus we can get used as target practice by these nasty types. They will be being nasty about all sorts of other people for all different reasons as well though ie they have an unfortunate character type and are best ignored, avoided and forgotten as to get upset from anything they say is giving them what they want.

I've always thought life is very unfair in this respect as it's often the most vulnerable who get targeted the most ie those least equipped to deal with it whereas the stronger ones aren't targeted so get stronger. Therefore I reason that a vulnerable person who withstands and survives bullying is far stronger than someone never bullied as they have never been tested and that if these 'stronger' people were to experience the same level of disrespect and bullying they would soon become less strong ie these people are strong through good fortune, not skill.


I think there much wisdom behind what you say in your second paragraph, although I would also mention that some people who are initially the target of bullies (say at school), may successfully defend themselves early on and not find themselves a popular target for bullying from that moment forward. I have experienced this myself, and became a sort of 'human anti-bully shield' for my nerdy friends.

With regard to your first paragraph, how do you feel about the possibility that some of the people who call other people 'ugly', actually feel insecure about their own looks, and therefore try to deflect those feelings of insecurity and inferiority onto others whom they perceive as easy targets?


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15 Sep 2012, 4:54 am

I've been called ugly when I was being bullied, but I think she was just trying to say anything she could to insult me. When I asked her why they didn't want me hanging out with them, she said, ''because you're ugly'', and I yelled, ''thanks!'', but then she said, ''well you're ugly if you fancy ugly old men!'' I do fancy older men and I suppose are ugly to them, but I can't help it if it's my taste. Her boyfriend wasn't all that appealing himself.

Also I got hinted that I'm ugly, once. A girl who used to be my best friend said to me to put on a bit of make-up. Then I brought up a woman we knew who didn't ever wear make-up and stated that she doesn't wear any make-up but is still attractive, and then my friend said, ''yer but she's pretty anyway....'' and I had this feeling that she hinted I wasn't very pretty and needed make-up to make me look pretty otherwise I'll never be pretty.

The only people who have stared at me and smiled or have called me beautiful are men. Women seem to look at me in a different light.


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15 Sep 2012, 5:02 am

CyclopsSummers wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
I think the 'ugly' word is often used to convey general dislike as much as specific dislike of how a person looks. It's used to hurt a person as looks are seen as very important to most people.
I think a lot of people with Aspergers/autism look vulnerable so NTs with a predisposition to bully others will often see us as an easy target as we can look different to the norm and we often look very placid hence not likely to answer back. Thus we can get used as target practice by these nasty types. They will be being nasty about all sorts of other people for all different reasons as well though ie they have an unfortunate character type and are best ignored, avoided and forgotten as to get upset from anything they say is giving them what they want.

I've always thought life is very unfair in this respect as it's often the most vulnerable who get targeted the most ie those least equipped to deal with it whereas the stronger ones aren't targeted so get stronger. Therefore I reason that a vulnerable person who withstands and survives bullying is far stronger than someone never bullied as they have never been tested and that if these 'stronger' people were to experience the same level of disrespect and bullying they would soon become less strong ie these people are strong through good fortune, not skill.


I think there much wisdom behind what you say in your second paragraph, although I would also mention that some people who are initially the target of bullies (say at school), may successfully defend themselves early on and not find themselves a popular target for bullying from that moment forward. I have experienced this myself, and became a sort of 'human anti-bully shield' for my nerdy friends.

With regard to your first paragraph, how do you feel about the possibility that some of the people who call other people 'ugly', actually feel insecure about their own looks, and therefore try to deflect those feelings of insecurity and inferiority onto others whom they perceive as easy targets?


From my experience it's often people who are pretty who can be critical, which I find illogical as if you are pretty where's the logic in criticising someone who is plainer - you have won the contest so just enjoy it! I've never understood that mentality. Sometimes I can see it's a person who isn't that secure in themself though.



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15 Sep 2012, 6:02 am

Several times as I remember, excluding indirect insults about my physical appereance.

If I include indirect insults like ''you look like an elephant'', then I have to replace ''several'' with ''many''.


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15 Sep 2012, 6:10 am

I was told that when I was a kid.



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15 Sep 2012, 6:13 am

When I was 10, this horrible girl, who everyone hated, expect her few friends, asked me if I had a hair parting, I said no, she asked why, and I said I didn't think I looked good with one, then she said "You don't look so good without one".
When I was 11, there were these 3 best-friends, one of them said to me "Do you think we could be friends?", then the other 2 girls said to her "We don't want to be her friend, she's so ugly".
There were also some times, around that age range, when people acted as if I was telling the truth, when I said I didn't look nice.