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30 Sep 2012, 10:23 am

I mean, all of us are different from each other, right? For example, some aspergers have lack of empathy, some don´t. Some are immature, some are very mature. We have something in common, but we can have certain features different from each other. Am I right?



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30 Sep 2012, 10:34 am

Hopetobe wrote:
I mean, all of us are different from each other, right? For example, some aspergers have lack of empathy, some don´t. Some are immature, some are very mature. We have something in common, but we can have certain features different from each other. Am I right?


Yes, everyone is unique. There is a criteria for aspergers but people fit into it in different ways.



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30 Sep 2012, 10:46 am

Hopetobe wrote:
I mean, all of us are different from each other, right? For example, some aspergers have lack of empathy, some don´t. Some are immature, some are very mature. We have something in common, but we can have certain features different from each other. Am I right?


I tend to think that we are much more different from each other than there are differences within a group of NTs, because we are "disconnected".



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30 Sep 2012, 10:56 am

i do not think that AS is an all encompassing way of being.
i do not think that AS is a "personality" trait.
i think AS is a condition which is superimposed upon a natural normal person who is individual in their characteristics at the essential level.

i dislike the view that asperger people are an entirely different breed of person that have no "NT" similarities.

i believe i am a neurologically normal person who is blind to certain aspects of life that i would be able to see without AS.

some people who think they have AS, think that they are fundamentally different from what they call "NT's". i am fundamentally the same as an "NT", but i have deficits in my "wiring" that preclude me from seeing the whole story.

for example, i like the taste of strawberries in the exact same way as an "NT" (who likes strawberries). my liking of strawberries is an unaffected "NT" aspect of my essence.

this is an analogy i have thought of (3 minutes ago so it may be flawed)

imagine a landscape like the savannahs in africa viewed from a helicopter at 10,000 feet on a cloudless day. that is "NT". imagine the same landscape viewed from the same position on a day when there are scattered clouds that cast shadows upon the savannah. those shadows are the only differences between me and an "NT".

all the sunlit areas on my savannah are the parts of my mind that are the unclouded "NT" aspect of my essence, and it is just the shadows that define my AS.

i am normal in every way except for the few areas that i am blind to, and obviously that does not make me a unique person whose every aspect is foreign to the world of average people.

i am a handicapped NT. i am not a special "indigo child" or whatever the militant people who want to be special claim to be.

if i was a fundamentally optimistic person, then my AS clouds would cast shadows on my optimistic landscape (not deleteriously) , but if i was a pessimistic person, then likewise.

"personality" is more fundamental than the overlay of the obscurities that patchily occlude it.

that is my opinion anyway, "but i am just a machine".



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30 Sep 2012, 10:58 am

Yeah, something comes into my head right now, aspies usually cant lie or are bad in it, but me, im completely opposite im a pathological liar,i just do it to fit in, so yeah we are all different.



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30 Sep 2012, 11:07 am

rixxar12 wrote:
Yeah, something comes into my head right now, aspies usually cant lie or are bad in it, but me, im completely opposite im a pathological liar

i do not believe you.
because i do not believe you when you say you are a pathological liar, then i have to think you always tell the truth, so i guess you really are a pathological liar.

i used to vomit on merry go-rounds.



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30 Sep 2012, 11:17 am

b9 wrote:
rixxar12 wrote:
Yeah, something comes into my head right now, aspies usually cant lie or are bad in it, but me, im completely opposite im a pathological liar

i do not believe you.
because i do not believe you when you say you are a pathological liar, then i have to think you always tell the truth, so i guess you really are a pathological liar.

i used to vomit on merry go-rounds.


Something in my brain just popped



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30 Sep 2012, 11:27 am

jonny23 wrote:
b9 wrote:
rixxar12 wrote:
Yeah, something comes into my head right now, aspies usually cant lie or are bad in it, but me, im completely opposite im a pathological liar

i do not believe you.
because i do not believe you when you say you are a pathological liar, then i have to think you always tell the truth, so i guess you really are a pathological liar.

i used to vomit on merry go-rounds.


Something in my brain just popped

i am sorry i was making a convoluted joke (except for the merry go-round comment)



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30 Sep 2012, 1:35 pm

Yes, every Aspie or Aspergian is different. Some have serious difficulties in one area, while others have barely any issues at all in the same area. Some have horrible problems in carrying on a conversation and feeling intimidated socially, while other have little difficulty chatting and can be great public speakers when well prepared. Some Aspies have debilitating sensory issues and others are merely annoyed by certain sounds from time to time.


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30 Sep 2012, 1:36 pm

Hopetobe wrote:
I mean, all of us are different from each other, right? For example, some aspergers have lack of empathy, some don´t. Some are immature, some are very mature. We have something in common, but we can have certain features different from each other. Am I right?


Yes, we're about as unique as fingerprints. And like fingerprints, there may be similarities here and there, but in the end, no two are alike.


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30 Sep 2012, 3:40 pm

I hope so.


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30 Sep 2012, 3:43 pm

The empathy is a spectrum. Some may not care about other people at all, but that is extremely rare. For most, the kind of empathy that is lacking is a social one. It shows up as a difficulty reading subtle social cues and a difficulty functioning in groups. We don't adapt as much to the people we are around as an NT would. This is why many of us do not get why people do things to copy other people rather than because it makes logical sense. For example, many of us dress practically and have limited to no sense of fashion or why it would actually be important to consider it. This is seen as an empathy issue. However, many of these same poorly dressed aspies do care an awful lot about the needs of the people in their lives. This is actually how I am. If someone I know is sad or crying, I will go over to them, ask them if they want me to give them a hug and ask them what's wrong. When they tell me, I will listen and let them talk it out. Because of this, many people actually consider me very sensitive. However, I will do so poorly dressed (but usually clean) and with the same basic hair style as Sheldon Cooper on BBT. It's part of the paradox that is me. I am very well spoken and come off as highly educated yet to look at me, I look homeless.


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30 Sep 2012, 5:44 pm

b9 wrote:
i dislike the view that asperger people are an entirely different breed of person that have no "NT" similarities.
i am a handicapped NT. i am not a special "indigo child" or whatever the militant people who want to be special claim to be.
that is my opinion anyway, "but i am just a machine".


You're so spot on.



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30 Sep 2012, 5:49 pm

Asperger's is a condition where we don't have the wiring and stand out a little different because we lack those parts of the brain from everyone else, mostly in social settings. There are common threads in each of us to some degree. Some of us are completely sensitive to fabrics while some are hardly bothered (me). Some excel more socially and can handle conversations better than others. Some talk more "logical" (for lack of a better term) or "scientific" than others. But we are still as unique in our personalities and what makes us ourselves. Some aspies just genuinely are jerks and want to be, like NTs. Some aspies are kind and caring, just like NTs. That's the part that makes us different. The lack of social skills, executive functioning, and other areas is what we lack.



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30 Sep 2012, 8:49 pm

Hopetobe wrote:
I mean, all of us are different from each other, right? For example, some aspergers have lack of empathy, some don´t. Some are immature, some are very mature. We have something in common, but we can have certain features different from each other. Am I right?


Very true, the only thing we all really have in common is whatever is on the DSM and that we had enough traits to fulfill for a diagnosis. Aspies can be very diverse to the point where we can be very much on the extremes of one another. Like hyper and hypo sensativity. Or someones strengths can be someone elses weaknesses. Different obsessions. Different abilities to assimulate with the NT population. Different functioning levels. Some areas were certain people thrive in can be another aspies downfall.



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30 Sep 2012, 10:28 pm

I agree with what b9 says in his long post above. I don't subscribe to the notion that autistics are a different breed of people, diametrically opposed to 'neurotypicals'. I too, believe, that autism is a disorder that comes on top of one's personality traits. Of course, it directly influences who you are and how you look at the world around you, but, at least in my case, it's not the be-all and end-all of my person, it's not the single defining factor.


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