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15 Dec 2012, 12:32 pm

I have not felt it until recently.

Since then I have tried forcing myself to like My Little Pony (after 1 1/2 episodes it just felt emasculating) and Death (for band purposes rather than actual enjoyment of the music.)

Is it possible we develop feelings of conformity later than normal folk?


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15 Dec 2012, 12:53 pm

It's the opposite with me. I used to always conform, thinking that it was the right thing to do since, to this day, I'm highly moralistic. But as I grew, I ended up having my own mind, developing my own world view, and being pretty antisocial (the one quality about myself that I truly hate).

Is it possible that we conform later on as people with ASDs? If there's some kind of correlation, I doubt it's not on a case-by-case basis.

Part of the reason why the APA probably took away the different diagnoses from being individually different from classic Autism is because Autism is a spectrum disorder, one where even if you already fit most of the criteria with one disorder, you can still be diagnosed with another, so it's complicated for psychologists and psychiatrists to diagnose us. I know, I'm currently both PDD and an Aspie, thought it was the same thing. o_o

But because of the diversity in symptoms and occurrence, many of the generalizations that people often put on those in the spectrum are often, and definitely in many cases, misconceptions. And so it's no surprise if a lot of the correlations that people associate with Autism doesn't always happen, and I guess that's where the beauty in it lies right?

Oops, I got all philosophy-ee on you. Basically, it, of course, depends on the person. But there is a correlation to other factors and conformity, such as age, political ideology, etc.... that may concern you in the future even more. Possibly, getting older and changing a political ideology, or finding satisfaction in friendships, relationships, different people you hang out with, and a host of other things can and have possibly changed your mindset on conformity.


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15 Dec 2012, 1:33 pm

I conformed well as a child. In 1999, all the kids at school were all into Pokemon. That wasn't my thing, but I forced myself to like it just to fit in, and I then became as fanatic over it as the other kids did. I collected Pokemon cards so I could swap them with other kids at school (because that was what they were all doing), and I collected all the stuffed characters.

It happened the same when every kid at school brought in a yoyo, and then when the tamigochi's came in, and then when the beenie babies came in. I just got swallowed up into the craze and forced myself to like it.

Now I find I can't conform that easily any more. I do a little, just enough to not look different, but I don't let myself get swallowed up in anything I don't want to.


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15 Dec 2012, 1:47 pm

I as the one that got others interested in Yu-Gi-Oh/Pokemon, not vice versa.


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15 Dec 2012, 1:47 pm

I try to conform in the way i dress as it tends to lead to people treating you better, but as far as my interests go they are no one elses but my own. Im not going to pretend to like a band or a TV show or whatever just so I can say i do. The only time ive ever done something like that is when i tried to get into football (soccer) just so that i could have something to talk to other guys about (most guys tend to fall back on football when all other topics of conversation have dried up). I just couldnt keep myself interested though.


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15 Dec 2012, 1:49 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:
I as the one that got others interested in Yu-Gi-Oh/Pokemon, not vice versa.


I was the same way as a kid, I was the one in primary school who introduced everyone to pogs (anyone remember those?) and got all my friends listening to guns n roses and aerosmith instead of pop music. Wish I had the same amount of influence nowadays lol.


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15 Dec 2012, 2:11 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:
I have not felt it until recently.

Since then I have tried forcing myself to like My Little Pony (after 1 1/2 episodes it just felt emasculating) and Death (for band purposes rather than actual enjoyment of the music.)

Is it possible we develop feelings of conformity later than normal folk?


In the business world, it is often imperative that you conform to some degree to the corporate culture of your company or you can't really be expected to advance very far.

In my first professional job after graduating from college, I learned pretty quickly that the company does not have to change itself to the employee. Rather, it is up to the employee to change to fit in with the company.

Within those bounds, there is plenty of room for nonconformity.

The best nonconformity as far as I am concerned is in thinking for yourself instead of letting everyone else form your beliefs for you. Let them have their surface conformity -- it will keep them happy -- but keep your mind your own.



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15 Dec 2012, 2:15 pm

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I conformed well as a child. In 1999, all the kids at school were all into Pokemon. That wasn't my thing, but I forced myself to like it just to fit in, and I then became as fanatic over it as the other kids did. I collected Pokemon cards so I could swap them with other kids at school (because that was what they were all doing), and I collected all the stuffed characters.

It happened the same when every kid at school brought in a yoyo, and then when the tamigochi's came in, and then when the beenie babies came in. I just got swallowed up into the craze and forced myself to like it.

Now I find I can't conform that easily any more. I do a little, just enough to not look different, but I don't let myself get swallowed up in anything I don't want to.


Heck yes! We went through the exact same thing; yoyo's, Pokemon and Tamagochi! Crazy to think how global some of those fads were and we're talking before the average house had an internet connection (most of my friends didn't have internet until a few years later). Anyway, I felt the same way; I couldn't have cared less about Pokemon but once I 'conformed' I became substantially more engrossed than any of my friends and amassed several times the card collection they had while also continuing to collect for years after they'd grown out of it. Too bad I never brought my cards to school though; couldn't stand the idea of other people touching my collection.


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15 Dec 2012, 2:35 pm

I don't think I'd want to pretend to like things I don't like just to fit in....either I would fail at the conformity, or maybe I'd get called out as a fake, which is exactly what I would be if I was putting on such an act. Conformity for the sake of conformity does not seem like a very good use of time and energy.


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15 Dec 2012, 2:55 pm

roccoslife wrote:
SanityTheorist wrote:
I as the one that got others interested in Yu-Gi-Oh/Pokemon, not vice versa.


I was the same way as a kid, I was the one in primary school who introduced everyone to pogs (anyone remember those?) and got all my friends listening to guns n roses and aerosmith instead of pop music. Wish I had the same amount of influence nowadays lol.


It would mean teenagers/adults liked more interesting things for sure!


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15 Dec 2012, 2:57 pm

widtreeman, I remember when people would ask if I wanted to trade Yu Gi Oh cards...never could trust people to see my collection unless I invited them over (which was about 3 people total)


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15 Dec 2012, 3:10 pm

eric76 wrote:
In the business world, it is often imperative that you conform to some degree to the corporate culture of your company or you can't really be expected to advance very far.

In my first professional job after graduating from college, I learned pretty quickly that the company does not have to change itself to the employee. Rather, it is up to the employee to change to fit in with the company.

Within those bounds, there is plenty of room for nonconformity.

The best nonconformity as far as I am concerned is in thinking for yourself instead of letting everyone else form your beliefs for you. Let them have their surface conformity -- it will keep them happy -- but keep your mind your own.


Yes this is true. I've learned to conform for work because honestly, I'm not the most indispensable employee they have. I've got enough to worry about without sticking out like a sore thumb (even more than I am already). Outside of work, I couldn't care less. I usually nod my head and smile when someone says something that I don't like but still hold my own beliefs.



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15 Dec 2012, 3:17 pm

I don't exactly conform...

ok scratch that, I'm a vegetarian buddhist who lives in arkansas and I'm seeing a therapist about getting a sex change. I don't conform period.

I'm still less obviously weird now than I was as a kid, though.


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15 Dec 2012, 3:54 pm

I can recall having some ridiculous anti-conformist thoughts as a child. I thought people only listened to music because others did (I didn't get into music until I was 13) and only liked teletubbies (and later on pokémon) because it was popular and I somehow looked down on them for those things :lol: A little later on then I had that unpleasant friend and then I had to conform to her wishes when I was around her because I was afraid of her. But I never thought it was a good thing, I hated myself for it.
That being said, I loathe anti-confomism and am not like that anymore.
I suppose something I do that is similar to conformism is my withholding of some things I like because I'm afraid of people? I don't get it but I'm terrified of people judging me and being angry at me. If I witness seemingly intelligent people criticize something I like I will somehow forever consider it something I should be ashamed of (even if the criticism is somewhat benign or even something I agree with, it still feels as though they're angry at me) and yet another reason to add to my ever-growing pile of reasons I'm the scum of the earth.
I hate this about myself and wish I could be rid of it, but (perhaps unsuprisingly) none of the most flawed parts of myself listen to reason.
But no, I've never considered conformity something positive worthy of pursuing.



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15 Dec 2012, 4:12 pm

Are you kidding me? I only get worse as I get older...as an artist I am totally a legitimised non-conformist...however for the auditory sensory overload it is getting worse as one gets older, I fear, like you can stand heat less, or cold, but also noise. Yet I can tolerate my own noise (music)....


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15 Dec 2012, 4:38 pm

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Are you kidding me? I only get worse as I get older...as an artist I am totally a legitimised non-conformist...however for the auditory sensory overload it is getting worse as one gets older, I fear, like you can stand heat less, or cold, but also noise. Yet I can tolerate my own noise (music)....


Finding that to be true for me as well...especially the sensory overload.


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