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01 Dec 2012, 5:25 am

In "Mozart and the whale" Isabella says "I suffer no fools".

I see this in me. This annoyance of people who in one way or another are - for a lack of a better word - stupid.

Which autistic traits would you link to this? In the moment when I react mindblindness and impulsiveness of course play their parts. But I am stuck at explaining it more thouroughly.


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01 Dec 2012, 5:46 am

My brain goes at a really fast rate of knots. Everyone tells me that if e.g. I am reciting a string of numbers for a telephone number or spelling out a word, that I do it way too quickly, but that's how my brain works. It irritates me that other people's brains are not as quick. It also irritates me that their memories are not as clear or accurate as mine, as I usually remember events verbatim. I don't know exactly what trait that would be, maybe it's a simple frustration at the difference.


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01 Dec 2012, 6:25 am

Runedk wrote:
In "Mozart and the whale" Isabella says "I suffer no fools".

I see this in me. This annoyance of people who in one way or another are - for a lack of a better word - stupid.

Which autistic traits would you link to this? In the moment when I react mindblindness and impulsiveness of course play their parts. But I am stuck at explaining it more thouroughly.


I believe there is a simple answer: intelligence gradient. The more far apart two people's intelligence capacities or intelligence quotients are from each other, the less the person "above" tolerates the other, and the less the person "below" understands the other.

I share your annoyance. I know exactly what you mean.

Later addition:

Of course, not all people are like this. There are intelligent and wise persons who are also warm-hearted and understanding and who tolerate almost anyone. So it probably has something to do with autism but I cannot pinpoint it to any particular trait. And again, following my earlier line of thought, people far apart in the intelligence spectrum have less in common than people who are closer to each other. That's just the way it is.



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01 Dec 2012, 7:07 am

Krabo wrote:
Runedk wrote:
In "Mozart and the whale" Isabella says "I suffer no fools".

I see this in me. This annoyance of people who in one way or another are - for a lack of a better word - stupid.

Which autistic traits would you link to this? In the moment when I react mindblindness and impulsiveness of course play their parts. But I am stuck at explaining it more thouroughly.


I believe there is a simple answer: intelligence gradient. The more far apart two people's intelligence capacities or intelligence quotients are from each other, the less the person "above" tolerates the other, and the less the person "below" understands the other.


I don't know about that. It may be true in some cases, but I don't think it is true in general.

I know that in my case, one of the people I got along best with in school was at the very bottom of my class. He now runs the city dump in a nearby small town and we still get along very well. I have never felt any intolerance for him.



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01 Dec 2012, 7:28 am

^ Yes Eric, you're probably right. – I suppose you posted your reply at about the same time that I edited my previous post with the paragraph titled Later addition. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused by editing it.



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01 Dec 2012, 8:12 am

I'm not considering this as judging people by overall intelligence. I fully believe that you can consider someone with a lower than average intelligence the most charming person you have met or in other ways just feel a connection.

I am looking for the answer to why I can be less patient in specific situations, where a given person acts in a way that to me is far from rational. I guess it has to do with my brain working differently than the NT brain, that I see things differently, and my impatience, impulsiveness and mindblindness. I am just looking for more words to describe it. But perhaps those are the words to use.


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01 Dec 2012, 8:45 am

Maybe it is the frustration of folks not tolerating some aspect of your being an Aspie?

I get along with nearly all the folks where I work, where I'm considered a guru on many subjects.



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01 Dec 2012, 8:52 am

The people who give me a chance are all fools. I know not anyone is a fool, because I converse with some intelligent people at work. Apparently I'm not worth the company of fairly intelligent people. I feel frustrated, annoyed, bored with the fools, they feel it (however much I try to hide it in order to have company) and go away.


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01 Dec 2012, 9:05 am

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I believe there is a simple answer: intelligence gradient. The more far apart two people's intelligence capacities or intelligence quotients are from each other, the less the person "above" tolerates the other, and the less the person "below" understands the other.


I have an IQ of 137, and I'm more likely to get along with someone with an IQ of 20 than an IQ of 100.

The way I see it, a 'fool' isn't exactly dumb. They're a bit dumb, but they're also arrogant and close-minded as well. If you're arrogant and close-minded, you'll be annoying at any IQ level, but more annoying if your IQ is a bit on the low end. If you're open-minded and respectful, I'll enjoy your company no matter what your IQ is. If your IQ is extremely low, you may not be capable of arrogance or close-mindedness because those require the presence of certain cognitive skills (arrogance requires a concept of self, close-mindedness requires ability to do a basic degree of logical reasoning).

So it doesn't have that much to do with IQ. It's more about personality.



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01 Dec 2012, 9:17 am

Runedk wrote:
I am looking for the answer to why I can be less patient in specific situations, where a given person acts in a way that to me is far from rational. I guess it has to do with my brain working differently than the NT brain, that I see things differently, and my impatience, impulsiveness and mindblindness. I am just looking for more words to describe it. But perhaps those are the words to use.

Maybe it goes like this:
Us aspegers are intolerant of loud voices, noise in general, changes of all sorts and who knows what. Then, while we are having a certain thought or mental picture in our mind how things are, and somebody says something incredibly stupid or behaves in a way totally alien to us, it creates a clash. We cannot stand steep gradients of anything, let alone someone interfering with our inner world by their stupid words or loutish behavior.



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01 Dec 2012, 9:37 am

Ettina wrote:
I have an IQ of 137, and I'm more likely to get along with someone with an IQ of 20 than an IQ of 100.

The way I see it, a 'fool' isn't exactly dumb. They're a bit dumb, but they're also arrogant and close-minded as well. If you're arrogant and close-minded, you'll be annoying at any IQ level, but more annoying if your IQ is a bit on the low end. If you're open-minded and respectful, I'll enjoy your company no matter what your IQ is. If your IQ is extremely low, you may not be capable of arrogance or close-mindedness because those require the presence of certain cognitive skills (arrogance requires a concept of self, close-mindedness requires ability to do a basic degree of logical reasoning).

So it doesn't have that much to do with IQ. It's more about personality.


Mutatis mutandis, let's replace IQ with some other concept. We can call it X Factor if you like. All that matters is that there is some factor which separates two people so that at least one of them cannot stand the other. This is normal. But we, us aspies, react to this factor more strongly than NT's. Indeed, you said above, "It's more about personality." I tend to agree, with the side-note that aspies may be more sensitive to annoying personalities.