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20 Dec 2012, 9:15 am

I know that the world ends tomorrow, so everyone has good reason to be edgy, but (seriously) have the conspiracy theory parents over on The Age of Autism completely cracked since the Sandy Hook school killings? Both autism and violence are both the result, in their parallel universe, of exposure to medico-pharma-toxins - http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/12/phar ... -meds.html - or more succinctly, "chemicals" according to one commenter).



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20 Dec 2012, 9:49 am

Ah yes, those dastardly "chemicals".

Of course they've gone completely around the bend; their image of the causal link is upside-down-face:

They think that going on the meds cause these outbursts, when in reality, the far more likely scenario is that people prone to these outbursts are more likely to be on meds in the first place.

User misapplication happens, of course, and adjusting dosage is a difficult trick to master, but in essence, the millions of people on these "chemicals" not going around shooting people should indicate quite clearly that the problem isn't the drugs; it's the crazy people.



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20 Dec 2012, 1:02 pm

AoA's coverage of the November 29 US House Oversight and Government Reform committee hearing was not easy to read. Compare the language used to describe members of the Neurodiversity community to the language used to describe....oh, anyone else.


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20 Dec 2012, 1:07 pm

I'm not entirely sure that was actually a reply.

What is this 2012-11-29 hearing of which you speak?


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20 Dec 2012, 1:25 pm

The US House hearings pretty much flew under the WP radar (I posed half of the threads on them), it was more of Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN)'s show.

More information can be found at http://www.c-span.org/Events/Lawmakers- ... 7436113-1/


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20 Dec 2012, 2:01 pm

There is truth to what they suggest

http://ssristories.com/

Check what is happening to kids smoking synthetic cannabis too, or playing video games. Deny all you like, I have seen it with my own eyes.....



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20 Dec 2012, 2:09 pm

Surfman wrote:
There is truth to what they suggest

http://ssristories.com/

Check what is happening to kids smoking synthetic cannabis too, or playing video games. Deny all you like, I have seen it with my own eyes.....


Show me the stats!


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20 Dec 2012, 5:14 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:
AoA's coverage of the November 29 US House Oversight and Government Reform committee hearing was not easy to read. Compare the language used to describe members of the Neurodiversity community to the language used to describe....oh, anyone else.


Do you have a link? I ploughed through some of them, thoroughly impressed by the dedication with which they weave facts together. I didn't read anything about Neurodiverse people.

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There is truth to what they suggest
http://ssristories.com/


Yes, another good one. I spent a considerable time being treated as a psych patient, until someone diagnosed ASD. There is a lot of truth, which is the huge appeal of these forms of quasi-religious belief systems.



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20 Dec 2012, 6:11 pm

The pharmaceutical companies do warn of severe psychological disturbance side effects under their "rare but serious" side effects warnings. Hallucinations, psychotic episodes and suicidal thoughts are listed as possibilities on many of these medications. I have seen no warnings against homicidal thoughts, only suicidal ones. But there may be legal reasons for that. Or maybe nobody has ever reported homicidal thoughts as a side effect. Or maybe those thoughts got reported under the less-scary heading of "unusual aggression".

There is the confounder that people with violent thoughts are more likely to be put on these drugs in the first place. And there is also the confounder that it can be hard to sort out actual side effects from the drug simply not working to suppress thoughts or actions that would have been there. But since the drug companies do admit that aggressive and/or disturbed thoughts can be actual (but rare) side effects, this is something that should be taken seriously, not just scoffed at.


http://www.drugs.com/sfx/prozac-side-effects.html


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Psychiatric side effects including hypomania, mania, transient psychosis, development of obsessive-compulsive symptoms, paranoid reaction, delusions, agitation, and a depersonalization syndrome have been reported. A number of reports have suggested that fluoxetine may be associated with the development of suicidal ideation. However, a meta-analysis of controlled studies has suggested that such an association may not exist. A retrospective study of suicidal ideation in 294 patients treated with fluoxetine for depression compared to other patients treated with a variety of therapeutic agents for depression has also suggested that an association between fluoxetine and increased risk of suicidal ideation may not exist.


Those side effects are rare (if they were common, Prozac would be off the market), but they do exist. I suspect that this possibility doesn't get strongly researched for legal reasons.


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