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09 Jan 2013, 4:00 am

From this thread: (to avoid a threadjack): http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt220311.html

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But NTs are socially adaptable - so he or she will socially adapt to your family, don't you think? NTs play WOW too!


Finally some common sense on this forum.

As someone who does not suffer from Autism, I can say that i've never seen a forum on a disorder that actually encouraged the disorder.

For instance, if i went on to a food addiction forum, i wouldnt be talking about food. Id be discussing my own mental disorder and discussing with others how to make it better so my own life would be easier.

But this forum is different. Here people re-enforce their mental disorder and choose to stay in utter denial of their disorder.

If people here wanted help, they wouldnt have a thread that they are bumping when they are horny... And married with kids ontop of that. That is a personal thing and completely innapropriate. It re-enforces bad behavior that Aspies inflict on others.

I actually came here to ask questions about my brother in law but after reading some of the things here, its obviouse the people here are in denial. Its the rest of the world that has a problem... Never the Aspie. The Aspie is logical and perfect. The aspie has everything under control and spends his life figuring everything out. He knows it all. What is good and bad not only for himself, but society and the rest of the world.

Again, this is the ONLY forum i have ever seen where people are actually promoting and indulging in their mental disorder (which is the most debilitating).. adhd is secong most.

The truth is, most Aspies can teach themselves what is appropriate and make themselves a whole lot better. It may take medication and time to train yourself, but you need to realize as Aspies you guys are very prone to black and white thinking which makes you very susceptible to 'cults' or 'fringe groups'. This forum has actually become one.

The secret of life is knowing you dont have answers to all the questions in life. So stop spending your life trying to figure everything out as it will only lead you into cults and depression.

Once you train yourself to stop searching for answers (which includes letting go of your FALSE of rationality/superiority over the NT world), only then you can start to see the shoe on the other foot and realize the harm you do to other people arounf you. You will them finally 'get' why most NT's believe in a God and afterlife although you are not 'capable' of doing the same, you will still understand it. Its sad this site promotes black and white thinking and all of the other Aspie traights.. Its no wonder this disorder is so debilitating.

My brother in law is hurting many people around him unintentionally. He wants to do the right thingd, but just doesnt know how and does not realize that the world doesnt revolve around him.

And here at the bottom of each page, a mugshot of the site owner to re-enforce the disorder rather than help it.


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09 Jan 2013, 4:30 am

Aspergers isn't actually a disorder, is it? It's a syndrome; a characteristic combination of thoughts and behaviors that consistently occur together. As such, I thought it's not really something to be "cured" per se, but to be adapted to. I am by no means an expert on the subject; I am quite new to this community, and in fact this is my first post. But if that condition is true, then this board might serve more as a place for people to come and chat and share their stories and quirks, not to get better.

There are some valid points made, however. I think the sort of aspie/autie superiority complex that is sometimes displayed here and elsewhere is a bit silly. We're all humans, and we're all a little different. Not all NTs can be generalized, just as not all aspies can be generalized.

Can't we all just get along? :)



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09 Jan 2013, 4:53 am

My thoughts? To summarize the long post I see "why can't you freaks just get over it and be normal?"



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09 Jan 2013, 5:08 am

*sigh* Where do I begin? :?
I'll just write down what comes to my mind and might add some things in a second post later, because I'm pretty sure I forgot something.


First, I don't think this site is any cult but more of a site for exchange of people who are alike and for NTs to learn to understand how people with an ASD roll.
Most of us have always felt like outsiders and feel like outsiders for their entire life, were bullied, beaten and some still are in this vicious circle, etc., we were always the weird people among the normal people. Why can't we just feel normal on this forum for a change by being around people who are just the same and boost our self confidence a bit? What is so wrong about that?

Second, the person clearly wrote this in rage (I spotted typos that often seem to come to exist, because the person wrote this in a rush, which is usually typical when someone is raging), so I am not sure how serious I am supposed to take this post.
People tend to become quite emotional after all and do/say things which they didn't mean or regret afterwards.

Third, the person who wrote this post didn't seem to try seeing it from the perspective of the mother hoping the child would have AS.
At least for most of us it is usually easier to understand and to identify with people who are alike (I have a hard time understanding NTs and it is easier for me to see the world through a perspective that is like mine). That mother (not to mention the family at all) will probably be able to give better advice to the child if it has AS than if it is NT, so I definitely understand why she would want the child to have AS. Imagine the child asks you a question about socialisation which you simply cannot answer, what now? There is no other NT parent in the family who could give that kind of advice.
From personal experience and from experience from other family members, if the child has AS, there is a greater chance that it will get advice that works for it because everybody thinks alike and most likely has gone through problems which were alike and they will most likely know how to properly support it (I am aware that there are always differences, but the way of thinking of people with AS seems to overlap).

Fourth, this place is called Wrong Planet for a reason and Asperger's Syndrome is nicknamed wrong planet syndrome for a reason as well.
We do not feel like we belong here and this is our alternative hideout, what is so wrong about that? To give an example: Imagine living in a foreign country, maybe sometime after a world war and there is strong radiation outside of this foreign country, but you are only there by incident (a holiday trip during which a disaster happened/WW3), are having serious troubles to integrate into the culture and learn the language and the culture could not be much more of an opposite of what you are used to (while in your culture people you do not keep eye-contact with your conversation partner, in this one they actually expect that for example) but imagine that is the only habitable country. What now? You have to somehow deal with it and get some integration help (see #5) but you are not entirely alone, there are a few more people of your old country who were on holidays when this happened. Wouldn't you want to meet up with them and talk to them because you get along with them better? Of course one has to integrate - and we try to, but this forum is not about "How do I become NT", this forum is about autistic disorders and covers probably literally everything about them, how a life with one looks like, how to cope with certain problems and to discuss whether something is acceptable or not in social life.
Isn't the main goal of this forum exchange and to make us feel better and less like the trash of humanity/society?

Fifth, the statement that people here do not wish to have any help is wrong. The majority here for sure seems to want help from what I've seen and actually gets some form of help, like psychological support. I myself am going to a psychologist on a regular basis and actually work on my issues because I want to be integrated into a NT-society, because I have to. I live in one after all.

Sixth, the person who accused members of WP thinking in black and white actually did the same.
The post sounds as if he is generalizing a lot and referring to all aspies, which in the end, is black and white thinking, he left out the grey from his post for the most.
Especially such statements like

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The aspie has everything under control
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You will them [typo, read as "then"] finally 'get' why most NT's believe in a God and afterlife although you are not 'capable' of doing the same, you will still understand it.
are totally incorrect. For example, I believe in God and an afterlife and I see the reasons why people do so and so on. I proved the thesis as wrong, no to mention the religion subforum which also features aspies and autists who believe in something. Furthermore, an aspie is most likely at the latest no more under control, if s/he's in a social situation or having too much sensory input.

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The secret of life is knowing you dont have answers to all the questions in life.

Well, we need certain answers, how else are we supposed to get help? Answers = help, we need answers for our questions about socialisation and coping with life, so we can develop proper solutions because most of us are mostly inable to figure out the answers ourselves.

Eight, I've never seen anybody claim they were perfect yet since I am browsing this forum (which is quite a while before I joined).
Heck, there are countless threads about our quirks which actually indicate and are imperfectionism, isn't that proof enough?

Nineth, dear poster, please spend some more time browsing the General Autism Discussion and you will see how wrong you are, if you take a second look at what you can find there.
Just as I said before, it's mainly about exchange and giving us a place to be who we are and feel good the way we are, for others to learn to understand us and for us to learn to understand NTs.
I guess you wouldn't want someone who is blind feel bad because he is blind, would you? Even though this is an extreme example, it is similar. Most of us have troubles with being social and we are aware of that, but we are trying to work out our flaws and to become better at what we are doing or at least want to be accepted how we are if it doesn't work out, why should we even feel awful on top of that, feel like trash as I mentioned before? We often do feel like that after social situations, always asking ourselves "What did I do wrong?" and for that we need the answers I mentioned in my seventh statement.

And tenth, I guess most of us here are aware it is a disorder or at least something that makes us different in many ways, a neurological difference.
(scarp, since AS is part of ASD, it is a disorder. The D stands for disorder after all.)


That being said, in case you (Cackles) read this post, I would like to ask you to calm down and think about the motives why something like that was posted and what the purpose of this forum is first before posting.
In case I offended you, I am sorry, don't take it too personal, that was not my intention. I just wanted to correct some things you stated in your post.

And welcome to Wrong Planet.



I'm not sure how long I spent on this post, but it was a long time and when I started typing it, there were no other posts in this thread.


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09 Jan 2013, 6:15 am

hanyo wrote:
My thoughts? To summarize the long post I see "why can't you freaks just get over it and be normal?"


I can't go into much detail yet, but this is my reaction.

Cackles seems to be under the impression that autistic people could learn to be normal if only they tried harder. In another thread, he advised the mother of an Aspie child to tell her child not to prepare in advance for things, even though such preparations make things significantly easier for at least some autistic people.

In his eyes, we don't need the supports and accommodations that might help us function. The problem is that we do not want to be nor do we try hard enough to be "normal."

He also seems to think that all Aspies are the same.



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09 Jan 2013, 7:59 am

the member you're quoting has been banned for trolling


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