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08 Jan 2013, 11:13 pm

Instead of Lung Cancer, Throat Cancer, Testicular Cancer, etc. Let's just call it Cancer, every one of them Cancer. How about Schizoid Personality disorder, let's just throw that in there with just Schizophrenia just because. Cause clearly everything is all the same, is treated the same, and has the same symptoms.

Sorry had to rant for a second.



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08 Jan 2013, 11:23 pm

Your impression of society's viewpoint is spot on. 8)



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08 Jan 2013, 11:26 pm

raisedbyignorance wrote:
Your impression of society's viewpoint is spot on. 8)


Thank you.

It just drives me insane.

It's been clear and I'm not trying to insult anyone....Autism is the lower spectrum and Aspergers has had more functional individuals, not all of them, but most of them. They have clearly different symptoms, clearly different levels, clearly different behavior structures as well.

But ya know what. Let's make it easy and let other people with AS suffer becuase theydon't display certain symptoms and can't be labeled as Autism.

And ya know what if we're going to do that....clearly Lupus Arithritis created by the diseases Lupus is the same as Arthritis, so let's lump that together.



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08 Jan 2013, 11:31 pm

I can only agree.
People generalizing without even taking the time to do research... :?


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08 Jan 2013, 11:32 pm

Sylvastor wrote:
I can only agree.
People generalizing without even taking the time to do research... :?


I feel like we're going backwards right now. And I just it irriattes me, lol.....sorry I get all rawr sometimes.



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09 Jan 2013, 12:07 am

Pandora_Box wrote:
It's been clear and I'm not trying to insult anyone....Autism is the lower spectrum and Aspergers has had more functional individuals, not all of them, but most of them. They have clearly different symptoms, clearly different levels, clearly different behavior structures as well.


This is not accurate. It is true that individuals with more severe symptoms tend to be diagnosed as autistic, but this means that diagnoses in relation to symptom presentation overlap across autism and Asperger's Syndrome. The two are not completely separate conditions with no ambiguity in presentation.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:11 am

Verdandi wrote:
Pandora_Box wrote:
It's been clear and I'm not trying to insult anyone....Autism is the lower spectrum and Aspergers has had more functional individuals, not all of them, but most of them. They have clearly different symptoms, clearly different levels, clearly different behavior structures as well.


This is not accurate. It is true that individuals with more severe symptoms tend to be diagnosed as autistic, but this means that diagnoses in relation to symptom presentation overlap across autism and Asperger's Syndrome. The two are not completely separate conditions with no ambiguity in presentation.


But also Aspergers don't have to portray the usual autistic spectrum symptoms. Is the issue.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:12 am

I don't mind, I am sure most people will be able to be diagnosed with asd, the requirements are not much different. You wont all of a sudden loose clinical significance.

And beside do you really want to have assburgers as something to explain your struggles? Just the name itself makes me glad it's going away.

Good riddance I say! we are all under the autism spectrum now and if it helps you at all there are levels...you can be level 1.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:25 am

Dreycrux wrote:
I don't mind, I am sure most people will be able to be diagnosed with asd, the requirements are not much different. You wont all of a sudden loose clinical significance.

And beside do you really want to have assburgers as something to explain your struggles? Just the name itself makes me glad it's going away.

Good riddance I say! we are all under the autism spectrum now and if it helps you at all there are levels...you can be level 1.


And likemy example. True Lupus Arthiritis has the same symptoms of Arthritis. But the causal chain is differen and the functions are different. There are even different forms of Lupus as well. So should they all go under one label?

I'm sorry, I don't fit the criteria of autism, which makes diagnosis harder for other people. I fit the criteria of Aspergers.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:30 am

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But also Aspergers don't have to portray the usual autistic spectrum symptoms. Is the issue.


You're right. Instead of sensory sensitivities, stereotypical repetitive movements, intense interests in narrow topics or the parts of things and communication impairments present in autism, Asperger's has sensory sensitivity, stereotypical repetitive movements, intense interests in narrow topics or parts of things, and communication impairments. They are totally different.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:35 am

Yes, let's.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:39 am

Verdandi wrote:
Pandora_Box wrote:
But also Aspergers don't have to portray the usual autistic spectrum symptoms. Is the issue.


You're right. Instead of sensory sensitivities, stereotypical repetitive movements, intense interests in narrow topics or the parts of things and communication impairments present in autism, Asperger's has sensory sensitivity, stereotypical repetitive movements, intense interests in narrow topics or parts of things, and communication impairments. They are totally different.


I'm not talking about that.



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09 Jan 2013, 1:41 am

Pandora_Box wrote:
I'm not talking about that.


Then what? The delays in speech development that are common in autism but explicitly excluded from AS? What firm difference makes AS so different from autism that they must be completely separate?



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09 Jan 2013, 1:48 am

Autistic has become a fashionable word for people on the spectrum. Back then you had to be on the severe end to be autistic. Then when I was first diagnosed, AS and autism were two different things but AS had always been on the spectrum, it was always autism but autistic and Asperger's were two different things. Then starting high school, I started to see aspies call themselves autistic and I would get confused. "Wait, I thought he/she said he/she had Asperger's? You can't be autistic and have AS at the same time." Now today everyone on the autism spectrum is autistic. Now I am too after being told for years I was not and AS was just a form of it. It's taken me years to get used to having "autism" and hearing that word being applied to me. Now I have finally gotten used to autistic and I always assume they mean the spectrum, not that I am autistic. But I still cringe when I hear it. Same as me having autism. I just started saying autism now because they have proposed to eliminate AS from the DSM. Sometimes I still say AS.


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09 Jan 2013, 1:54 am

Hu?
Did I misunderstand the entire point of the thread??
I assumed the first posts was sarcasm and/or written from the perspective of an outstanding person seeing everything as the same thing, from that context I interpreted post 2 and 3 were too, but now I am lost.

Actually, I am highly irritated. Sorry, if this sounds absolutely stupid, but what exactly is being criticized now? :?


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09 Jan 2013, 1:59 am

I am fairly certain that "autistic" will never be a fashionable label for anything, unfortunately.

Also, AS was always presented as being part of the autistic spectrum. It was based on a paper called "autistic psychopathy in children."