Swedish law:hire an aspie trainee for free, get payed for it

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What do you think of this?
It's good that this law excists, it helps aspies get in to work 27%  27%  [ 3 ]
I feel offended 73%  73%  [ 8 ]
third option, I'll explain in a comment 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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10 Jan 2013, 6:11 pm

In Sweden we have a law that says that if you accept someone as a trainee, i e free work force, you don't have to pay them anything at all even if they do the same work and hours as employes AND you get payed by the government about 400$ per month if the trainee that you hire has a diagnosis of AS or ADHD and the like.

What are your thoughts on this?
I'm guessing that it's supposed to give us an more equal chance at getting a job, but are we really that horrible that my (hypothetical) boss needs to get 400$ in his pocket for the trouble of having me sweeping his floors?

The thing that can be good about it is maybe if some company has to many prejudices and you really want to work there, then this could be an argument that gets you in to prove your self.
But that is about the only good scenario that I can think of while I can see alot of ways that this can be misused and abused.
I can hear a clear (not meaning literally) "please let him just be here during the days, he's useless but we'll give you a check if you just", how would that actually make someone want to hire you when your trainee time is up? It only increases the vision that you are useless/worthless as a worker. If someone would actually be a useless worker, and that somehow being caused by AS, then that person should not and would probably not request that trainee spot anyways.
I find this degrading and offensive (not to mention again amazed on how ignorant and unintellegent politicians are while trying to be helpfull).

How do you read in to this law? What are your feelings about it's existence?


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10 Jan 2013, 6:17 pm

If find this hard to believe. Maybe Swedish society is different but here in the US I can see employers abusing the s**t out of something like this. You get a slave AND the government pays you $400? Something just doesn't seem right. There must be some protections in place.



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10 Jan 2013, 6:17 pm

27315 wrote:
In Sweden we have a law that says that if you accept someone as a trainee, i e free work force, you don't have to pay them anything at all even if they do the same work and hours as employes AND you get payed by the government about 400$ per month if the trainee that you hire has a diagnosis of AS or ADHD and the like.

What are your thoughts on this?
I'm guessing that it's supposed to give us an more equal chance at getting a job, but are we really that horrible that my (hypothetical) boss needs to get 400$ in his pocket for the trouble of having me sweeping his floors?

The thing that can be good about it is maybe if some company has to many prejudices and you really want to work there, then this could be an argument that gets you in to prove your self.
But that is about the only good scenario that I can think of while I can see alot of ways that this can be misused and abused.
I can hear a clear (not meaning literally) "please let him just be here during the days, he's useless but we'll give you a check if you just", how would that actually make someone want to hire you when your trainee time is up? It only increases the vision that you are useless/worthless as a worker. If someone would actually be a useless worker, and that somehow being caused by AS, then that person should not and would probably not request that trainee spot anyways.
I find this degrading and offensive (not to mention again amazed on how ignorant and unintellegent politicians are while trying to be helpfull).

How do you read in to this law? What are your feelings about it's existence?

There has to be something missing in this. What does the AS or ADHD person get out of this program? Does the government provide them something as part of the program?


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11 Jan 2013, 4:01 am

Rascal77s: employers are abusing the sh** out of it, I haven't read the exact law but I see this in action everywhere (I know alot of aspies IRL), I think there might be something that says that you can't have someone as a trainee for more than 6 months without giving them employment.
One of our foodstore chains "Willys" are known for abusing this, they always have a couple of handicapped people working around in the store and they never hire any of them.

BlueAbyss: The only thing that you get from the company that you work for is an entry in your CV, like a certificate thst you have worked there and that is suposed to help you while searching for other jobs cause then you can show that you have experience. slave work for 6 months just to get to be able to write a line on a paper doesn't seem like a fair trade to me. And I also know for a fact that I can write that line for myself on my CV and no one would bother looking up with that company if I actually worked there or just made it up.


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11 Jan 2013, 4:25 am

BlueAbyss wrote:
27315 wrote:
In Sweden we have a law that says that if you accept someone as a trainee, i e free work force, you don't have to pay them anything at all even if they do the same work and hours as employes AND you get payed by the government about 400$ per month if the trainee that you hire has a diagnosis of AS or ADHD and the like.

What are your thoughts on this?
I'm guessing that it's supposed to give us an more equal chance at getting a job, but are we really that horrible that my (hypothetical) boss needs to get 400$ in his pocket for the trouble of having me sweeping his floors?

The thing that can be good about it is maybe if some company has to many prejudices and you really want to work there, then this could be an argument that gets you in to prove your self.
But that is about the only good scenario that I can think of while I can see alot of ways that this can be misused and abused.
I can hear a clear (not meaning literally) "please let him just be here during the days, he's useless but we'll give you a check if you just", how would that actually make someone want to hire you when your trainee time is up? It only increases the vision that you are useless/worthless as a worker. If someone would actually be a useless worker, and that somehow being caused by AS, then that person should not and would probably not request that trainee spot anyways.
I find this degrading and offensive (not to mention again amazed on how ignorant and unintellegent politicians are while trying to be helpfull).

How do you read in to this law? What are your feelings about it's existence?

There has to be something missing in this. What does the AS or ADHD person get out of this program? Does the government provide them something as part of the program?

Work experience, interaction, something to do everyday I guess. Also, people often work for free in the hope that their employer will start paying them if they do a good enough job.



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14 Jan 2013, 2:16 am

JellyCat wrote:
BlueAbyss wrote:
27315 wrote:
In Sweden we have a law that says that if you accept someone as a trainee, i e free work force, you don't have to pay them anything at all even if they do the same work and hours as employes AND you get payed by the government about 400$ per month if the trainee that you hire has a diagnosis of AS or ADHD and the like.

What are your thoughts on this?
I'm guessing that it's supposed to give us an more equal chance at getting a job, but are we really that horrible that my (hypothetical) boss needs to get 400$ in his pocket for the trouble of having me sweeping his floors?

The thing that can be good about it is maybe if some company has to many prejudices and you really want to work there, then this could be an argument that gets you in to prove your self.
But that is about the only good scenario that I can think of while I can see alot of ways that this can be misused and abused.
I can hear a clear (not meaning literally) "please let him just be here during the days, he's useless but we'll give you a check if you just", how would that actually make someone want to hire you when your trainee time is up? It only increases the vision that you are useless/worthless as a worker. If someone would actually be a useless worker, and that somehow being caused by AS, then that person should not and would probably not request that trainee spot anyways.
I find this degrading and offensive (not to mention again amazed on how ignorant and unintellegent politicians are while trying to be helpfull).

How do you read in to this law? What are your feelings about it's existence?

There has to be something missing in this. What does the AS or ADHD person get out of this program? Does the government provide them something as part of the program?

Work experience, interaction, something to do everyday I guess. Also, people often work for free in the hope that their employer will start paying them if they do a good enough job.


Also if you're not "on disability", Swedens "unemployment bureau" WILL force you to work for free, in statusless jobs without any chance of employment. Many companies have no intention to ever hire one of the trainees and just do it for the cash + free workers. The current government thinks this is preferable to having statistics showing the rest of the world how many are unemployed. It is not a choice.



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14 Jan 2013, 2:22 am

Rascal77s wrote:
If find this hard to believe. Maybe Swedish society is different but here in the US I can see employers abusing the sh** out of something like this. You get a slave AND the government pays you $400? Something just doesn't seem right. There must be some protections in place.


The info missing is that the worker also gets cash each month without working too, just that sometimes they randomly force them to work as a slave for 6 months in places without any expectation to be hired. For just as much money as they would get anyway. Which is not very much at all. Sweden has a very well developed social security/ safetynet and this is one of the downsides to it.
Yes, it gets abused. They are talking about making the slavery longer (we're talking years), and force those who are too sick or too old to work to do it anyway.



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14 Jan 2013, 3:29 am

Bad idea, very bad idea. :evil:


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