"Civil" Society vs. Aspergers and Autism

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I'm not sure if this should go in the activism thread or not. If it should please do move it.

Ok, so I keep hearing about how people are saying there should be laws against those with AS by restricting rights and freedoms, everything from laws against those on the spectrum owning weapons to forced incarceration in mental institutions.

Everytime I hear about it, it makes me want to scream at the world for their incompetence and ignorance, giving them both facts about Autism and AS, and facts about their "civil" society.

Does anyone else feel that they have to speak against this sort of thing?

I personally know this isn't going to simply go away, and I won't let people take the few freedoms I have away from me due to their own ignorance and fear. Better that I speak against it and give out the facts than let it happen by hiding under a rock. No-one is better qualified to speak for us, than ourselves and we've already seen what the result of not doing so has done.

Does anyone feel as I do?
Who else feels we have to start speaking up against this?

when i speak to folks that don't know....and they don't understand after a 20 minutes.... feels like i'm talking to a brick wall. i suggest to them that they might be interested in Mozart and the whale...

Truth be told, there really arn't any legislative/regulatory* proposals on the table to restrict the civil rights of Spectrumites. I'm not aware of anything in any act of the US congress, nor am I aware of any act to that effect in the states.

* Except the DoD stance that AS is an issue with entry into the US military, but can be waived.

There's a lot of talk on unmoderated message services, but there always is. AS is acceptable to beat up right now, and some of the same people would beat up on other groups if it would'nt get them banned/deleted.

If you are concerned, maybe you should reach out to ASAN, who specializes in this area.

Hoestly, I've never heard about that. But I think it's a bit of a nonsense.

The whole term "Civil" is horrible. It's always been meant to reference "normal, good, people or things"; ideas brainwashed into populations.
While the land was being stolen and whites were too busy killing Native Americans anyone who was white was considered "civil" as opposed to terms such as "savages".

Some hospitals that are state run are referred to as "Civil" and trust me i have been there before, it is the farthest thing from the true definition of civil. It was not civilized at all people drew in feces on the walls, trust me it was a mess.
Okay i googled the definition and it gave me 5 of them below.
Civil is just a blah word to me.

Civil (definted by Merriam-Webster
a : of or relating to citizens
b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry <civil strife>

2
a : civilized <civil society>
b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : mannerly <a civil question>

3
a : of, relating to, or based on civil law
b : relating to private rights and to remedies sought by action or suit distinct from criminal proceedings
c : established by law

4: of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic affairs as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs
5
of time : based on the mean sun and legally recognized for use in ordinary affairs

The ironic thing is that their own attitudes of fear, hatred, and ignorance is one of the reasons why the ideal world that they envision can never be achieved. They blame the problems of the world on people who they believe don't feel, when in reality most of the world's problems are caused by people who feel too much, and express it in damaging and ignorant ways. Good intentions are likely to do more harm than good if the person who holds them is corrupted by ignorance.

It is quite possible that the world would be a more utopian place if everyone in it had traits that mirrored those of people with Schizoid Personality Disorder. Since Schizoids lack feelings towards other people, desire, and motivation, they are unlikely to do damaging things out of good intentions, as well as out of bad intentions. But they are still likely to try to benefit other people because they generally like to feel useful towards them even though they feel nothing for them.

If more people were to make an effort to express their good intentions in ways that benefit the world rather than damage it, then the world would make real progress towards becoming more utopian. Many people don't realize that their own good intentions are rooted in selfishness rather than in the actual desire to improve the world. They care more about feeling like they're doing something to improve the world (even it means doing damage to it) than they do about actually doing something to improve it. They wouldn't truly be happy if the world were utopian because they would no longer be able to feel like they were doing something to improve it. The only way they would be able to find satisfaction in such a world would be to change their ignorant ways, and they don't want to do that because they are accustomed to living for their ignorance.

Every time I hear about it... it makes me want to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy... by killing as many of those fvckers as I could sink my blade into.

Problem is there are too many... and my bizarre obsession with melee weapons (guns are a coward's weapon) seriously restricts my potential killing ability. I couldn't even put a dent in them worthy of remembrance so much as a month afterwards.
So... I won't be able to enact my mass cull until such point as I find a way to pull the big one..... get a nuke.... or pull the moon down out of orbit.

I was born in the wrong century, honestly. Assuming I wasn't killed in early childhood, I would have been seriously feared back in the Iron Age...


Anyway... mundies really don't get cause and effect, do they? Especially the prats who run the laws and operate the police.
Every time a problem arises because of a legal or police screw-up, they respond to the problem by throwing MORE laws and MORE police at it. There is no word for just how f*****g stupid that is. Like that killing that started the riots here in London some while back. All because the cops got too trigger-happy. How did the folks "in charge" handle the situation? By throwing MORE police at it. More violent thugs throw into an already violent mess. Bloody stupid cvnts...

That is a VERY stereotypical representation of autistics . . . I really wouldn't exactly recommend it to the unknowing. Temple Grandin's film would do better.

That would just be the icing on the cake if ASD people were secluded from everyone else against their will. Then again, maybe the world was much more uniform and utopian when this sort of thing was done many years ago.

That said, if forced into that situation I would gladly do as so many of them did and a) laugh hysterically and uncontrollably at the ridiculousness of being institutionalized b) inflict pain and misery on as many controllers as I possibly could. If you wonder why people behave like this, then consider how you'd perceive the law if it became unfair and discriminatory toward you.

But until such time, the closest I'd get to activism is hoping that one of these passing asteroids would just suck it up and hit - wipe the slate clean with one clean hit of impartiality. I don't have anything in common with anyone, namely the sake of me "giving people what they need" emotionally, which (as much as I wish it could) will not and cannot happen. But I'm also not the one passing judgement on other people for not doing this or that.

Bottom line is people can coexist without picking on each other. It's just these people with too many needs and requirements who obviously can't think for or defend themselves properly that are dragging everyone else down with them.

Thank you, everyone, who've responded so far. I look forward to future posts.

I have AS and I can say, if it comes to it and they try to take my freedom from me based entirely on that fact, they'd have to kill me because I wouldn't just stand by and let them subjugate me. They'd have to use excessive force and I'd just be one case of who they'd had to kill just to "fix" their idea of what the problem is.

The bad thing is, it wouldn't solve anything, they'd never learn from their mistakes, people would still be murdered on mass, and those in the institutions would be mistreated by the "caretakers" just like it used to be. That's why those institutions were shut down to begin with. For the human race to go backward again now... it just makes me realize all over again that they'll never be the enlightened people they claim to be.

If I could, I'd take all of the ignorant people in the world and transport each of them to their own individual dream world. It would be a world in which they would play the role of God and would be able to do everything they pleased. When everything ended in disaster they would have only themselves to blame. They would see that the world they created reflects what is inside themselves. That the evil that they claim to despise lies within their own hearts. It would be their worst nightmare and ultimate degradation. After it was over, I'd transport them from their dream worlds back to the real world. Then they'd realize the true consequences of the world's ignorance. With that many people becoming enlightened of this, the world would start becoming more utopian at a rapid speed.

Ignorance and fear take a greater toll on the world than hatred and greed. If ignorance were to be reduced, everything would change for the better. Hatred would become reduced as result because there would no longer be bigotry, and greed would become reduced because the world would become a place where people wouldn't need to be as self-seeking to find satisfaction in their lives.

yeah i chose mozart simply because it may be easier for them to understand... i deal with unintelligent humans most of my day.

I actually think Temple Grandin's film would be better because it deliberately shows autism in a positive light, and it's pretty obvious.

Be careful what you give unintelligent people; they are pretty smart when it comes to how dumb they can be.

Temple grandin's film is very understandable.

Reminds me of The Walking Dead game, where everything ends in disaster no matter how you choose and it's always your fault. People will eventually kill each other no matter how you approach the scenario. The only fix I can see would be a fundamental rewrite of human nature; make us more like a hive of insects wholly focused on the community with no concept of the self.

So, until we're all part of the Borg, I don't see the disaster and blame cycle ending any time soon.