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01 Feb 2013, 11:20 pm

I've had autism for 29 years and only found out a few months ago. I finally did a mercury detox and when I used alpha lipoic acid to detox my brain I felt very different. More tranquilized and more "inhibited" than usual but it's a bit concerning because I feel like I don't react the way I used to. I feel like I've lost my mental strength and fatigue more easily.

Has anyone else tried detoxing mercury from the brain? How did it change the way you think and act? Did it have any down side? This is changing everything about the way I think and behave and I'm a little worried.

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01 Feb 2013, 11:35 pm

I'm not really sure what that is. My son and I are doing a metals chelation program right now. We are doing a whole lot of things, with improvements, so I'm not sure what to pin-point any progress on. How does it work?



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01 Feb 2013, 11:40 pm

Ekor wrote:
I've had autism for 29 years and only found out a few months ago. I finally did a mercury detox and when I used alpha lipoic acid to detox my brain I felt very different. More tranquilized and more "inhibited" than usual but it's a bit concerning because I feel like I don't react the way I used to. I feel like I've lost my mental strength and fatigue more easily.

Has anyone else tried detoxing mercury from the brain? How did it change the way you think and act? Did it have any down side? This is changing everything about the way I think and behave and I'm a little worried.

Thanks


http://www.examiner.com/article/chelati ... tudy-finds. It doesn't seem to work for autistic children.

I took chlorella for a bit. You'll feel better eventually, but sorry, it won't cure your autism. Maybe what you're experiencing is the placebo effect.

I can't believe people are still buying into this mercury hypothesis, which was debunked way back in the 80's. If there's any connection at all, mercury toxicity is a side effect of autism.



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02 Feb 2013, 12:21 am

I don't think chelation is going to help AUTISM specifically. The point is to help your body rid of excess toxins. Health is health, afterall.



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02 Feb 2013, 12:26 am

Mercury is extremely toxic so if you can safely remove it from the body that is a good thing. Sometimes the process of removal can have side effects that your body needs to recover from. If your body is 'cleaning up some sort of mess' in your body, then that could take some of your energy. It could also be that something else is going on. For example you could have some sort of deficiency if your body used something up in the process. You could either wait and see if it passes, or get appropriate help to check you out, but you'd need someone who knows about this, because they'd quick to dismiss it if they didn't know.

I don't at this moment have any reason to believe that 'mercury causes autism', per se.
But, mercury affects the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland affects the thyroid gland. If the thyroid of a pregnant woman is not working properly, OR if the thyroid of the child is not functioning properly, then some aspects of brain development may not be happening, including myelination, which continues for years after birth. This is known to be associated with autism.
In my OPINION many different processes can contribute to autism INCLUDING mercury poisoning, albeit indirectly. I have noticed many AS people also have hormonal issues, but it is just an observation. Many have thyroid issues, and thyroid issues can affect the body clock which can encourage night bird behaviour. This can contribute to less time outdoors, which can lead to vitamin D deficiency. This seems to also be associated with autism. There are people who seem to think this may be part of the cause of autism, but I am guessing it is a side effect.
I agree there is no evidence at this point that it can be cured, but optimizing body function can help your body 'work around it' as well as possible.

And feeling less energetic could seem bad if you were 'hyper' before. NOT saying this is true, just a stupid idea that popped into my head. You will know. It's all relative, my friend.



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02 Feb 2013, 12:29 am

Tyri0n wrote:
If there's any connection at all, mercury toxicity is a side effect of autism.


What do you mean by this?



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02 Feb 2013, 12:58 am

Yuzu wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
If there's any connection at all, mercury toxicity is a side effect of autism.


What do you mean by this?


Well, there's studies that show a correlation between mercury and autism but also that chelation therapy doesn't help much. There are three possibilities

1. Mercury causes autism (debunked)
2. X factor causes both mercury accumulation and autism
3. Autism causes mercury accumulation


Interestingly, studies have shown that Vitamin D deficiency causes liver dysfunction, and maternal Vit D deficiency has been far more definitively linked to autism than mercury has. If the liver is not functioning due to low Vitamin D, then it makes sense you'd have an accumulation of heavy metals like mercury.

So, if this were the case, # 2 would be true.



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02 Feb 2013, 1:27 am

Link me to those studies, please... I have yet to hear of any correlation between mercury and autism.


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02 Feb 2013, 2:17 am

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Link me to those studies, please... I have yet to hear of any correlation between mercury and autism.
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Here are some examples: http://www.dienviro.org/s950/images/bio ... autism.pdf

http://www.jpands.org/vol8no3/geier.pdf

Note: this is about correlation, which is not the same thing as saying that mercury causes autism. If chelation doesn't help at all, it's probable that mercury does not cause autism. BUT it's interesting how they seem to be related in some other way.

The so-called "idiot savants" during the Middle Ages probably had autism, and this was long before mercury was ever used in manufacturing.



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02 Feb 2013, 3:21 am

Tyri0n wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
If there's any connection at all, mercury toxicity is a side effect of autism.


What do you mean by this?


Well, there's studies that show a correlation between mercury and autism but also that chelation therapy doesn't help much. There are three possibilities

1. Mercury causes autism (debunked)
2. X factor causes both mercury accumulation and autism
3. Autism causes mercury accumulation


Interestingly, studies have shown that Vitamin D deficiency causes liver dysfunction, and maternal Vit D deficiency has been far more definitively linked to autism than mercury has. If the liver is not functioning due to low Vitamin D, then it makes sense you'd have an accumulation of heavy metals like mercury.

So, if this were the case, # 2 would be true.


Oh I see. I was confused because I thought you meant #3.



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02 Feb 2013, 12:15 pm

Tyri0n,

You are correct, mercury is merely a side effect of autism and not the cause,but mercury causes its own fair share of neurological disturbances(high glutamate levels and autoimmune attacks on the brain).

The true cause of autism is low methyl levels in the brain and body because of genetic defects(MTHFR, GST, Apoe4,etc). With low methylation the body and brain produce low glutathione and leaves it vulnerable to mercury. Low methylation also causes a reduction in brain energy and neurotransmitter production, which could explain the different mentality of autistics.

Source: autismpedia dot org
Search:MethylationHy pothesis

I had to search high and low for this information because doctors are all but useless in this matter--it's like a second job to me except I don't get paid for this!



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02 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm

One thing about mercury people tend to forget is that your body does get rid of it. You have to intake large doses, much more than a couple cans of tuna, for it to have serious effects, and you'd have to intake it constantly to keep up the doses.
It would be interesting if autism causes people to retain mercury rather than expel it!


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