For those that believe Autism is good, what are your reasons

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ylevental
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30 Oct 2015, 11:04 am

I'm just curious to know.



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30 Oct 2015, 8:36 pm

I find it very hard to think of autism as a good thing, but without a doubt I know it can bring good things. In other words it's a mixed bag and depending on a person's perspective and experiences in life the positives may outweigh the negatives and vice versa. I can't really be bothered listing the positives that can associate with autism because they're able to be found all over the net.

I apologize in advance to anybody that I list below. If anything is wrong about you feel free to correct me as it's only from memory.

Examples of the WP community:

. Btbnnyr conducts autism research with a team that possess autistic traits (but I presume are still NT), and they share similar interests and don't force much social pressure onto her. Her own autistic traits may allow her to perform as a great scientist in this setting.

. Adamantium/B19/ASPartOfMe/KraftieKortie/Cyberdad and other older late-diagnosed or undiagnosed Aspies, or parents of Aspies at WP are able to better understand the struggles of the neurodiverse, and can provide valuable advice to youngins on the spectrum. In this sense autism has potentially produced a high-level of compassion for those that are different.

Autism is the reason I have a friend that doesn't actively deceive me. Not that NTs are deceitful but naturally, social interaction is never truly 100% 'real'.


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30 Oct 2015, 8:47 pm

Something that I think is very positive about it is the fact that most of society is people who think "inside the box" by default and all of society is constructed in an "inside the box thinker" type of manner, and they seem to often have a hard time "thinking outside the box" (seeing things from different points of view/perspectives/whatever)

We think outside the box by default - what they strive to do and make memes about and often urge one another to do in order to become better at whatever it is they do in life, is what our brains are wired to do by default.


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30 Oct 2015, 9:45 pm

I can only speak for my self but I think the only "positives" of having Autism is the intense interests which kinda makes me very knowledgeable Tho the cons kinda out weighs the positives for me


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30 Oct 2015, 10:13 pm

JoelFan wrote:
I can only speak for my self but I think the only "positives" of having Autism is the intense interests which kinda makes me very knowledgeable Tho the cons kinda out weighs the positives for me


I concur.



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30 Oct 2015, 11:47 pm

JoelFan wrote:
I can only speak for my self but I think the only "positives" of having Autism is the intense interests which kinda makes me very knowledgeable Tho the cons kinda out weighs the positives for me


I don't know if I'd even give it that. I'm more...

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Something that I think is very positive about it is the fact that most of society is people who think "inside the box" by default and all of society is constructed in an "inside the box thinker" type of manner, and they seem to often have a hard time "thinking outside the box" (seeing things from different points of view/perspectives/whatever)

We think outside the box by default - what they strive to do and make memes about and often urge one another to do in order to become better at whatever it is they do in life, is what our brains are wired to do by default.


... yeah, on this page. Though I'd say we're prone to simply constructing our own boxes, which can be every bit as harmful. I am presently in the process of trying to dismantle my box. That is not going to be very fun, to say the least.

I stopped giving much thought to "good/bad" years ago and decided "it is what it is". If pressed I'll just say "bad" and call it a day.


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31 Oct 2015, 12:19 am

It is different for each person, so I don't think one should force their views of autism based on their lives onto another who may have quite different view. I only disagree strongly with people at eggstremes, e.g. people who that being autistic is worse than being dead, or e.g. people who say that autism is greatest thing and far superior to neurotypical who are compared to lower animals or made out to be talent-less narcissists and psychopaths.

Also about me in my setting, there are negatives of autism in my setting too, such as not synchronizing well with others on a team of researchers, not communicating well with others through language like discussing science, not getting social stuff which applies in this setting too, as some people are simply turned off by me, but there is also greater proportion of people who are not compared to other settings. Also, I don't really attribute most of my good qualities to autism, but some to luck in being genetically predisposed to them and developing them in childhood, some to having good parents and their ways of raising me, some to my own efforts, which I feel strongly about, since it is by my own effort that anything gets done in my research. I also don't attribute most bad qualities or mistakes to autism, as I find that it is really me making choices, e.g. making bad choice while knowing I could make better, e.g. not bothering to improve some aspect that needs work. If I do something that I regret later, then I have myself to blame, not autism, as I am not an autism automaton. But it turns out that I don't go deeply into self-blame, I find it more helpful to move on from negative eggsperiences.


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31 Oct 2015, 2:01 am

I feel blessed as far as my way of seeing and feeling life and my character goes. That equals autism to me, thus it has been a blessing. Life is beautiful, magical even.

Bullying, harassment and exclusion are choices other people make. Actually I have been hurt the most in my life by people that I've never even spend an hour with. If I say hurtful things in purpose, it is similarly a choice I make.

Most in this thread probably hate my view, but it's my view on the world. The window you look through, paints the scenery you see.



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31 Oct 2015, 2:12 am

Norny wrote:
I find it very hard to think of autism as a good thing, but without a doubt I know it can bring good things. In other words it's a mixed bag and depending on a person's perspective and experiences in life the positives may outweigh the negatives and vice versa. I can't really be bothered listing the positives that can associate with autism because they're able to be found all over the net.

I apologize in advance to anybody that I list below. If anything is wrong about you feel free to correct me as it's only from memory.

Examples of the WP community:

. Btbnnyr conducts autism research with a team that possess autistic traits (but I presume are still NT), and they share similar interests and don't force much social pressure onto her. Her own autistic traits may allow her to perform as a great scientist in this setting.

. Adamantium/B19/ASPartOfMe/KraftieKortie/Cyberdad and other older late-diagnosed or undiagnosed Aspies, or parents of Aspies at WP are able to better understand the struggles of the neurodiverse, and can provide valuable advice to youngins on the spectrum. In this sense autism has potentially produced a high-level of compassion for those that are different.

Autism is the reason I have a friend that doesn't actively deceive me. Not that NTs are deceitful but naturally, social interaction is never truly 100% 'real'.

IIRC KK was diagnosed as a young kid.



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31 Oct 2015, 3:03 am

Yeah I am not on the autism makes me the special snowflake I am or whatever bandwagon.

For me it is an impairment and a disability. I could say positive sounding stuff like I have an extra special bond with my family because of my special needs or something like that. I do i think tend to talk more positively than negatively about having it and even joke about having it some.

But yeah if I could take a pill that would make me operate on the same level as my same age cousin I have been raised with, I definitely would in a heartbeat.



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31 Oct 2015, 4:02 am

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Yeah I am not on the autism makes me the special snowflake I am or whatever bandwagon.

For me it is an impairment and a disability. I could say positive sounding stuff like I have an extra special bond with my family because of my special needs or something like that. I do i think tend to talk more positively than negatively about having it and even joke about having it some.

But yeah if I could take a pill that would make me operate on the same level as my same age cousin I have been raised with, I definitely would in a heartbeat.


I think we all would take a pill for something if we could. I'd take a one to have family and friends, I'd cure mom's cancer, I'd cure the scars bullying has left etc. A man who lives with excruciating pain every day, would rather be nonverbal than have it etc.

To say you see the beauty in your life and are in terms with it, is not the same as wanting to be a special snowflake. To begin with we all are.



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31 Oct 2015, 7:47 am

I have the Neurodiversity view in that i think society should accept and would gain from bieng more accepting of different way of thinking and expression. I also believe that the partial or total reason many feel autism is a curse is non acceptance to hostility from society and the people they are dealing with.

But I do realize autism besides the differences has real impairments associated with it. I do not know where all these posters get the idea the supporting Neurodiversity means viewing Autism as only good. That idea of neurodiverse view does not represent the vast majority of the neurodiverse supporters I read here and elsewhere. I resent reading this constantly.

For all of the above when a poster says Autism is a curse in their life I can't assume they are wrong. I am not living their life. There is far to much of neurotypicals telling autistics what to think for me to tell another autistic how to view thier life. One of the tenants of Neurodiversity is let Autistics speak for themselves. That goes for autistics views of autism we do not like.


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31 Oct 2015, 12:08 pm

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I have the Neurodiversity view in that i think society should accept and would gain from bieng more accepting of different way of thinking and expression. I also believe that the partial or total reason many feel autism is a curse is non acceptance to hostility from society and the people they are dealing with.

But I do realize autism besides the differences has real impairments associated with it. I do not know where all these posters get the idea the supporting Neurodiversity means viewing Autism as only good. That idea of neurodiverse view does not represent the vast majority of the neurodiverse supporters I read here and elsewhere. I resent reading this constantly.

For all of the above when a poster says Autism is a curse in their life I can't assume they are wrong. I am not living their life. There is far to much of neurotypicals telling autistics what to think for me to tell another autistic how to view thier life. One of the tenants of Neurodiversity is let Autistics speak for themselves. That goes for autistics views of autism we do not like.


"Curse" feels too strong to me. It's a bit fatalistic, really. I've used that terminology specifically when someone uses something like "gift" to describe it, just to get right to the point... but "Problem", "disability", "impairment" are more the terms I think of. So... changing society can maybe mitigate those things, but it does not make them all better. I don't see acceptance or understanding actually solving anything outright; just making it easier to work on. Which is good, I'll agree.

As to that perception of neurodiversity that galls you so much... I do have it. A lot of my contact with advocates for the idea has built on and reinforced that view. Over time, it got twisted in my mind to the point where a hefty dose of confirmation bias goes on when I hear anyone bring up the subject and it takes conscious, concerted effort to push that back and actually listen rather than dismissing it all out of hand. It's entirely possible I've heard more reasonable explanations but refused to accept them and so I don't remember them as such.

I'm trying to listen with a more open mind, now.


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31 Oct 2015, 1:31 pm

EzraS wrote:
Yeah I am not on the autism makes me the special snowflake I am or whatever bandwagon. For me it is an impairment and a disability.


^this. in my experience with being semi-officially diagnosed with autism, it's been a horrible burden to me. for example, one day when i was starting at a new school, i went there on the first day with my aunt, and when we were meeting all of the teachers and staff and stuff, she told them 'oh this girl has autism and selective mutism, so this is why she's gonna be acting weird sometimes'. and i was so pissed at her for telling them that, i just wanted a chance to be in a new school, have a new start, and not carry any of the stigma that autism brings. but then she completely f****d that up for me.

there's a chance that i'm going to get a re-evaluation, and if they decide that i don't have autism after all, honestly i'll be delighted. the whole idea of being socially ret*d just makes me feel like a piece of crap.


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31 Oct 2015, 2:03 pm

For those that want treatment/cure be sure to check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Mitchell



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31 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

I see my autism as a unique way of being. I have some artistic and crafty talents and a wild imagination. I also have a great love for music of all types. I'll give any type of music at least one try. I also don't feel bound to society as far as popular culture and fashion is concerned. If I feel like dressing the way The Kinks did in the 60s, I will. I don't care if I seem daft to allistic people. I'm also able to keep myself occupied for days without human contact.


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