The Nation of Aspergia

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03 Jul 2005, 6:01 pm

Well, after a convo on the chatroom with Tea and kabin, we decided to form our own nation, Aspergia. Only People with AS (free examination upon application to enter the country) would be allowed to enter (AS, Autism, HFA etc....). (and their families/gf/bf etc, obviously)

Government:
The Asperigan government constitutes 3 sections. The Council of 12, 12 permenenant officials in place, chosen by the public and the founding members of Asperiga during their lifetimes. The Senate, a series of elected officials, chosen by the people democraticly. The senate may override any decision by the council, except the demand of the council to hold an election. The Public house. All laws pass through the public house, where any member of the public may enter and vote on a law, simply by entering their citizen ID and then voting. This allows for all laws to be fairly chosen by anyone avalible.

Leader/Ruler: BlackLiger, President General
Military Leader: Assassin, General
Minister for Buisness: DrinkingTea
Minister for the Aspienet*: Kabin
Minister for the News: Ghosthunter
Minister for Music: Joint between Tafkash and Malcom Scorpio

Thats all so far....

Consititution:
We, the people of Asperergia, hereby declare ourselves a nation free of prejudice against colour, religion, creed, gender, race and mental state. While Only aspies and relations may enter, any not of that status born here will be allowed to remain. We will avoid wars, and will provide the best for our citizens.

Laws:
Murder: Anyone found guilty of murder, if proven far beyond reasonable doubt, will be executed. If there is any reasonable doubt, but the verdict is still guilty, the accused will be imprisoned.

Manslaughter: Anyone found guilty beyond a doubt of Manslaughter will be deported to an NT country of their choice. They will be barred from re-entry. Anyone where there is still a reasonable doubt will be deported, but they may re-enter IF they can prove their innocence.

Assault/Rape: Treated like murder.

Theft: Theft will not be tollerated, as Asperiga has a comucapitalist society. Everyone gets exactly the same provided by the government and has to earn anything else. Anyone caught stealing to better their lot will be deported.

Exports and Imports
Ideas/Designs - Well, you expect an AS society to be dumb?
Anything we find people obessed with building
The Internet 2.0

Imports - Probably food, at first. Other resources till we master atom manipulation and Cold Fusion (about 6 months)

Economic system - Comucapitalism
Everyone starts equal. The government will provide housing and employment, althogh you may set up your own company if you wish... Food is communally sorted. Anything else is luxury and is earned. All money goes into the communal pot, but any money you earn for the society is noted as being provided towards your luxuries.

Any questions?

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The above is intended humerously. Although it would make a good system of government....

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03 Jul 2005, 6:20 pm

Does this have to do with this new forum or the old forum, Aspergia?

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03 Jul 2005, 6:20 pm

No, its just a name I chose.

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03 Jul 2005, 6:27 pm

What? Is it a joke or new forum?

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03 Jul 2005, 6:39 pm

Fascninating? Hmmmmm?

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03 Jul 2005, 6:42 pm

you're the best, Ghosthunter.

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03 Jul 2005, 6:46 pm

i think its a bad idea

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03 Jul 2005, 6:55 pm

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you're the best, Ghosthunter.

Thank you! Tom....It is always nice to
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03 Jul 2005, 7:22 pm

Check out http://www.aspergia.com, it's not a new concept.

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03 Jul 2005, 7:23 pm

I and the nation of Dystopia hereby declare war on Aspergia. May the victor burn in whatever post nuclear apocalyptic Hell we create.

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03 Jul 2005, 10:54 pm

I have studied constitutional law and social philosophy, if not extensively, at least cursively; and my opinion of the Aspergian constitution proposed by BlackLiger is that it is an oligarchic with the usual democratic pretentions. First of all, the citizenship requirements promote a dichotomous worldview reminiscent of early twentieth-century nationalist propaganda: the Aryan German people against the impure elements within and without, Communists against capitalists and other backwards establishments, and liberal Christian Britannia enlightening her colonies.

BlackLiger wrote:

The Asperigan government constitutes 3 sections. The Council of 12, 12 permenenant officials in place, chosen by the public and the founding members of Asperiga during their lifetimes.

I assume this is BlackLiger-Aspergia's equivalent of the Supreme Court of the United States of America. The role of the Council of Twelve is not at all clear here. I see they have the authority to render decisions to the Senate, which may annul any decision except the Council's call for elections. The wording decision seems to indicate a ruling on the validity of existing laws, but the wording demand seems to indicate the Council of Twelve holds some sovereign authority to issue orders and decrees of every sort.

Also, the phrasing "chosen by the public and the founding members of Asperiga [sic] during their lifetimes" is ambiguous: While the founding members of Aspergia are still alive, do they have the right to veto the popular election of someone to the Council of Twelve? If not, then they are simply another section of the Aspergian public, which makes "and the founding members of Asperiga [sic] during their lifetimes" redundant.

Aside from the three judicial and legislative chambers of the Council of Twelve, the Senate, and the Public House, a second branch of government seems to stem from the Leader or Ruler, which I assume constitutes the executive power. The executive branch is even more poorly defined than the judicial and legislative branch. My guess is that the executive is a quasi-military dictatorship with sovereign authority invested solely in the Leader, BlackLiger. Using his authority, he creates ministries and appoints his friends as their ministers. The relationship between the Leader/Ruler and the three houses of government is undefined. As far as I know, BlackLiger and his ministers and general are the founding members of Aspergia, who then have the influence they need to control the Council of Twelve, which is the apparent start of the legislative chain. I see no checks on the Ruler's power; and I assume, with the military in his command, he can make executive decisions and administrative rules while completely bypassing the more democratic element of the government.

The BlackLiger-Aspergia constitution proscribes a draconian criminal code that does not acknowledge a spectrum of severity for violent crimes. Assault is punished by death, but assault itself is a crime running from the mere swift kick to the nuts to a bloody beating. Rape is a horrible crime, but the death penalty may be too harsh, especially if one considers cases of statutory (but consensual) rape. This code only lists one crime against property, theft; but robbery, conversion, larceny, fraud, vandalism, burglary, trespass, unjust enrichment, and destruction of property are other such crimes. Obviously, armed robbery is a more severe crime than theft or burglary.

BlackLiger wrote:

Economic system - Comucapitalism
Everyone starts equal. The government will provide housing and employment, althogh you may set up your own company if you wish... Food is communally sorted. Anything else is luxury and is earned. All money goes into the communal pot, but any money you earn for the society is noted as being provided towards your luxuries.

The idea of people with Asperger's syndrome entering Aspergia with their families and the shirts on their backs and receiving a stipend from the government is a noble one, but it is not as egalitarian as one might wish. Established citizens of Aspergia will have accrued much more status for acquiring luxuries than the new arrivals, so that is a disparity. The second is the idea of luxury is subjective. Food itself is a necessity, but filet mignon is a luxury, yet food is provided by the government (what kinds of food? can those who have accrued more "money" for luxuries opt to use their food rations combined with their luxury "money" to "buy" better food?). Also, individuals are allowed to start their own companies; but, since the government provides employment, does that mean the government chooses whom the proprietor employs? Can companies function as corporate persons that maintain a legal and financial existence separate from the proprietor or proprietors? If corporations can exist, are they accorded revenue from the communal fund, or do they maintain their own accounts?

We people with Asperger's syndrome are notoriously stubborn and independent. How will this government retain popular support if the government tells the Aspergians what houses they will live in and what their employment will be? One must not forget many Aspergians will be highly discouraged with the government mandating how much luxury money they can spend for their "restricted and stereotyped patterns of interest" (DSM-IV-TR, 2000). Some interests can be rather costly.

The last problem I will mention now is that only people diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome and their families may enter the country, and the original inhabitants are allowed to stay. This precludes robust trade, tourism, the establishment of embassies, and the possibility that friends of Aspergians may enter the country.

All in all, even if the land to establish BlackLiger-Aspergia existed, the proposal here is completely unworkable.

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04 Jul 2005, 1:36 am

I am assuming NONE of you took the time to read the bit underneath which reads written in HUMOUR!

/me facedesks.

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04 Jul 2005, 2:11 am

BlackLiger wrote:

I am assuming NONE of you took the time to read the bit underneath which reads written in HUMOUR!

/me facedesks.

It's honestly not funny as humor (and, no, I did not see the part that marked it as humor because the lines made it seem like the signature, which I don't read). I know, though, that you weren't literally planning to form a country. I did take the time to analyze your constitution, though, because, well, that's fun to me.

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04 Jul 2005, 5:08 am

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It's honestly not funny as humor

Did i say it was meant to be funny directly? It was actually intended along the same lines as Starship Wrongplanet.....

and also, could you please stop putting your text in green. I can't read it!

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04 Jul 2005, 5:35 am

The idea sounds fun.

in my opinion it would be a nice place to visit - but I wouldn't want to live there.

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04 Jul 2005, 6:55 am

Make me the Presidente For Life and I'll join ya in your little revolution, BL

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