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SteelMaiden
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25 Jul 2013, 12:04 pm

I have a real issue with empathy. I can only feel it in extreme situations, and only with people that are very close to me.

For example, when I saw the news about the train crash in Spain, my housemates (I live in mental health supported housing) were upset about the lives lost. I didn't feel anything for the people who died, but I was a bit upset that the train got ruined.

Another example: the carer's two brothers recently died, who apparently she was very close to. I heard her cry and I heard her tell me how sad she was, but I couldn't feel any emotion towards her. I just said stock phrases and tried to get out of the situation.

I understand the logical basis of caring about others, and I have stood up for people who were being treated badly, but I can't feel empathy 95% of the time.

Anyone else like this?


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25 Jul 2013, 12:13 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
I have a real issue with empathy. I can only feel it in extreme situations, and only with people that are very close to me.

For example, when I saw the news about the train crash in Spain, my housemates (I live in mental health supported housing) were upset about the lives lost. I didn't feel anything for the people who died, but I was a bit upset that the train got ruined.

Another example: the carer's two brothers recently died, who apparently she was very close to. I heard her cry and I heard her tell me how sad she was, but I couldn't feel any emotion towards her. I just said stock phrases and tried to get out of the situation.

I understand the logical basis of caring about others, and I have stood up for people who were being treated badly, but I can't feel empathy 95% of the time.

Anyone else like this?


YES! I can't say yes enough to this! I can fake it, but I sure as heck don't feel it.



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25 Jul 2013, 12:15 pm

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I need to practise faking empathy lol.


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25 Jul 2013, 12:18 pm

yeah this is extremely common with AS



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25 Jul 2013, 12:19 pm

actually have more empathy for animals than people, which is weird

oh sorry! just noticed we can edit posts! good to know :o



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25 Jul 2013, 12:24 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
For example, when I saw the news about the train crash in Spain, my housemates (I live in mental health supported housing) were upset about the lives lost. I didn't feel anything for the people who died, but I was a bit upset that the train got ruined.


Do people feel empathy for something like this? I think empathy has to be for a person, these stories are too big for that. You can imagine how awful it would be to be on the train and hope it never happens to you. You can imagine how awful it would be to lose someone you care about in such a way. But neither of those things is actually empathy.

I don't feel anything about the train wreck, but I think I have pretty good empathy. I would feel something toward a person I was interacting with who told me of a personal tragedy, like your carer. I don't think the mass death and suffering of a remote event you hear about in the news is the same kind of interaction at all.



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25 Jul 2013, 12:32 pm

This topic is how I actually finally got a diagnosis of AS. Like I stated in my hello, for 20 years they thought i was bi-polar, until my new therapist and I were talking about death. A co-worker of mine lost a parent and I told my therapist that even thought I considered my co-worker to be a good person and liked him as a person but I did not feel anything when they told me he lost a parent the previous day. Heck, the only thought that ran through my head was, "what's for lunch", luckly my auto-pilot/mask kicked on and I said "oh, I'm sorry to hear that, is he doing ok".



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25 Jul 2013, 12:34 pm

I have this problem too. Like I just can't feel anything. I understand the situation and I want to feel bad but I just can't.


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25 Jul 2013, 12:36 pm

Yep, same here, even when it comes to my own family members dying. My dad died pretty early - he had a heart attack and I actually did CPR on him until the ambulance arrived, but he didn't make it. I didn't really cry much... Went to work the next day, didn't mention it to anybody and went on with life as normal.

My attitude has always been to first ask, "can I fix this problem?" If there's nothing that can be done, I try to gather whatever lessons I can from it and move on. No sense in staying upset over something you have no control over. However, I did take away a lot of things and changed my life for the better: ALWAYS make sure whatever you say to someone could stand as the last words you spoke to them in case you never see them again, eat healthy and work out hard, don't put off doing "bucket list" things until you retire because you might not live that long, etc.

Sorry I'm of absolutely no use... Whenever somebody loses someone they know I have to try hard not to say, "suck it up, we're all going to die soon enough too." But I know that's not what they want to hear, so I just avoid talking to them instead.



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25 Jul 2013, 12:38 pm

HopefulFlower wrote:
I have this problem too. Like I just can't feel anything. I understand the situation and I want to feel bad but I just can't.


Feeling bad is a waste of energy. IMO, instead, make positive changes in your life / the world.



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25 Jul 2013, 1:28 pm

Yes. I also remember John Robison writing in his book what hypocrites people are because they will have sympathy for the people involved in the disaster but yet have no sympathy over his difficulties and people with invisible disabilities.


I remember when 9/11 happened, I felt concerned about the World Trade Centers and didn't like they were on fire and was sad they crashed into the buildings rather than thinking about peoples lives and how it was effecting families. But honestly, other kids seemed to be the same way in my school, they didn't seem concerned either and they got tired of hearing about it in class when teachers kept obsessing about it and making them watch the news about it and at least there was no school work. Don't forget the kids in my choir acted excited about WWIII starting and it freaked me out. And I'm cold hearted? So were the other kids then. One of them even would rant about what a b***h her teacher is for talking about the disaster and how we are going to keep getting attacked and all and when I would joke about the world trade centers, don't forget how the freshman were forced to take down the fake World Trade Centers on their homecoming float by our school principal when she inspected our floats before parade day. When you have Asperger's, it's the Asperge'rs that made you feel this way about the disaster. :roll:
I think it was just called being a normal teen. But when you have autism, people will blame it on such and forget about the normal kids doing it too.


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25 Jul 2013, 1:45 pm

To see another person suffering and resonate emotionally with their experience is SYMPATHY.

EMPATHY is the ability to see and register another individual's body language and be able to assess what their current emotional state is, by reading those cues.

Not the same thing.

If you see a friend sitting and staring out the window, but you cannot tell whether they are sad, thoughtful or lost in whimsy, you may lack EMpathy. If you see two people sitting together holding hands and are unable to ascertain whether it is a gesture of affection, or one is comforting the other in a time of loss, or just reading their pulse, you may lack EMpathy.

If you see someone suffering and just don't care, you lack SYMpathy.



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25 Jul 2013, 1:48 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
... but I was a bit upset that the train got ruined.

:lol:

Yup, me too. I know it's appropriate to feel sympathy for the people on the train, but I don't. I don't wish people harm; I just don't feel for them.



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25 Jul 2013, 2:01 pm

I can be TOO emphatic sometimes, especially when it's over something morally wrong or unjust. But when I read about the train crash I was like "Oh no, not ANOTHER one". As in, "If traveling by train isn't safe, then no type of transportation is, not by plane, definitely not by car," I was more concerned about my own safety if I traveled that way than the actual victims whom I don't even know. Well I guess I don't have to worry since there aren't any train stations where I live. There used to be one when I was a kid, my class and I even rode on it once during a field trip, but it closed down years ago. Guess I'm pretty much trapped where I live. :(



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25 Jul 2013, 2:06 pm

neobluex wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing%E2%80%93systemizing_theory#Cognitive_versus_affective_empathy


Thank you for posting this.