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20 Mar 2013, 12:29 pm

I have had some good success with aniracetam + a choline supplement for social anxiety. It doesn't screw me up with awful side effects like SSRI's did, and I've heard you can get it prescribed in Europe for both depression and anxiety.

Although you can't get it prescribed in the U.S., I still imported it from Europe through customs just fine (they even checked the contents of the package and marked it off as "medical supplies"), at a fairly affordable price (like 9 GBP for 30 grahams), and it's possible to find a doctor who will work with you, even if they can't technically prescribe it.

Just thought I'd point this out for those who may live in Europe and have been screwed by SSRI's. Maybe those in the U.S. who are brave and have money can look into it as well, if you can find a doctor who will work with you. Mine has been great and was familiar with similar things from the outset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniracetam



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20 Mar 2013, 12:31 pm

While I don't plan on taking this, I'm curious.

-What's a GBP

-Why is it not prescribed in the US?


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20 Mar 2013, 2:12 pm

I've always thought it was a French myth that autism was "just anxiety." Anyone on the spectrum truly DOESN'T LEARN social skills the way most people do! The resultant blunders early in life are what fuel anxiety later. I've learned VERY early in life that SOCIAL INTERACTION IS A MINEFIELD. By walking out and being blown up by a bunch of those mines!


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20 Mar 2013, 2:29 pm

No it's not just anxiety, but anxiety is a common comorbid that makes it worse.

1. Uk currency

2. No idea



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20 Mar 2013, 2:30 pm

GBP is Great Britain Pound. Its value is $1.51.



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20 Mar 2013, 2:53 pm

I would like to take it. I know it won't make my AS go away, but it still may help with my emotions a little bit more. Right now I seem to be suffering with social anxiety/phobia, and I tick all the boxes on the social anxiety list. I seem to be getting really anxious about losing friendships and being disliked, because I don't want to end up lonely because isolation is what I seem to live in fear of, even though it is contradicted with social phobia. And then I get depressed because of knowing that I am not socially functioning as well as my peers, and it causes me to have panic attacks, thinking I am ''the only one'' who lives this way, especially when my Aspie friend seems to be doing better than I am. It then causes me to feel horribly jealous of other people's lives, and it is running me into a spiral of depression. It is also a vicious circle what I can't seem to find a way to get myself out of. I know I shouldn't worry about all this social stuff, but deep down I really want to socialise and to me it looks really fun, but it's not so fun for me when I'm so shy. And no, drugs and alcohol are not the answer because I'm not just talking about when at bars, I'm talking about anywhere, like work. And because the idea of being unable to socialise due to the vicious circle of shyness, social phobia, social anxiety, and AS, is making me feel emotionally grotty, I would really love to take these tablets described by the OP. I know it won't turn me into an extrovert, but it might just help me boost my social energy a little, which is what I need.


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20 Mar 2013, 3:55 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I would like to take it. I know it won't make my AS go away, but it still may help with my emotions a little bit more. Right now I seem to be suffering with social anxiety/phobia, and I tick all the boxes on the social anxiety list. I seem to be getting really anxious about losing friendships and being disliked, because I don't want to end up lonely because isolation is what I seem to live in fear of, even though it is contradicted with social phobia. And then I get depressed because of knowing that I am not socially functioning as well as my peers, and it causes me to have panic attacks, thinking I am ''the only one'' who lives this way, especially when my Aspie friend seems to be doing better than I am. It then causes me to feel horribly jealous of other people's lives, and it is running me into a spiral of depression. It is also a vicious circle what I can't seem to find a way to get myself out of. I know I shouldn't worry about all this social stuff, but deep down I really want to socialise and to me it looks really fun, but it's not so fun for me when I'm so shy. And no, drugs and alcohol are not the answer because I'm not just talking about when at bars, I'm talking about anywhere, like work. And because the idea of being unable to socialise due to the vicious circle of shyness, social phobia, social anxiety, and AS, is making me feel emotionally grotty, I would really love to take these tablets described by the OP. I know it won't turn me into an extrovert, but it might just help me boost my social energy a little, which is what I need.


They probably won't change your life. They haven't made me into a different person, but they have improved some areas significantly. For example, my martial arts ability, posture/hunched shoulders, and made it much easier to move my arms naturally when I walk (I used to get made fun of for holding them stiff at my side when I walked, like Sheldon Cooper). I'm doing an optometry program where I get tested every six weeks, and today, the periodic testing showed an amazing improvement in visual processing speed, too.

Noopept did a lot of the work, but the problem with this one is it works a lot like SSRI's (with MUCH fewer side effects though) in that it can increase irritability and anger as it takes away anxiety (I think the anger and irritability are always there; they just don't express themselves). Aniracetam is a much calmer (and milder) drug, which makes you social and calm without being a raging maniac. I've been taking the latter for a week, and it has stabilized my mood, which was very unstable both before and under noopept. I think putting the two together--and with a choline source-- can be really good if you have NLD.

I got some from here: http://www.intellimeds.co.uk/. Apparently, in the UK, like the U.S., a prescription is optional; in continental Europe, you must get a doctor's prescription.

And here is a more reputable source (but more expensive): http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

I'm sure you can find better than I can since you actually live in the UK while our manufacturers of these drugs in the U.S. are completely unregulated by the FDA, like all so-called "dietary supplements," so you never know what you are getting; thus, I imported both noopept and aniracetam from the UK for the sake of safety, even though it's more expensive that way.

I've seen lots of good reviews for both Intellimeds and Anti-Aging Systems. The latter is actually a large mainstream company that's existed forever. The U.S. counterparts like Cerebral Health are always in trouble with the FDA for corrupted or nonexistence ingredients.



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20 Mar 2013, 4:21 pm

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Why is it not prescribed in the US?


My guess is it's not FDA approved. Which means it's untested, and could potentially mean it's dangerous.



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20 Mar 2013, 4:23 pm

Ettina wrote:
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Why is it not prescribed in the US?


My guess is it's not FDA approved. Which means it's untested, and could potentially mean it's dangerous.


Yeah, but it's been tested and approved by the FDA-equivalent in most of Europe. It's also been tested in the U.S. and is legal; it's just not officially approved for the treatment of any disease. Unless you believe that the FDA is qualitatively better than the equivalent in most European countries, it should be fine. Personally, I think Lexapro and Zoloft are far more dangerous.



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20 Mar 2013, 6:15 pm

Ettina wrote:
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Why is it not prescribed in the US?


My guess is it's not FDA approved. Which means it's untested, and could potentially mean it's dangerous.


I know it's apples to oranges, but by that logic Marijuana could potentially be a dangerous anti-anxietal.. oh noes, the FDA hasn't approved something, that means I can't use it!! lol the FDA is Monsanto & Big Pharma's government arm. I don't think they're a very trustworthy source of approval of much of anything.


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20 Mar 2013, 7:09 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Ettina wrote:
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Why is it not prescribed in the US?


My guess is it's not FDA approved. Which means it's untested, and could potentially mean it's dangerous.


I know it's apples to oranges, but by that logic Marijuana could potentially be a dangerous anti-anxietal.. oh noes, the FDA hasn't approved something, that means I can't use it!! lol the FDA is Monsanto & Big Pharma's government arm. I don't think they're a very trustworthy source of approval of much of anything.


Another point: rice is not currently approved by the FDA for the treatment of any disease. One could say the same thing about melatonin or even protein supplements, which is available OTC and, therefore, probably not FDA approved for the treatment of a disease.

Therefore, are all these things dangerous?

FDA non-approval for the treatment of a disease =/ FDA banning a substance due to it being unsafe. They are completely different concepts.

So aniracetam, et. al. are not banned, even like marijuana. So they are more like rice.