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Jayo
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06 Aug 2013, 9:11 pm

Some time ago, I had a bit of an argument with a therapist who said that my definition of "abuse" was not consistent with the proper definition. He told me that "abuse" is something that the victimized party cannot get out of, like a child entrapped by an abusive parent, or an abusive husband ensnaring a wife, or people who become brainwashed by some cult group or figure. Or human trafficking where the victim's family or friends are threatened if the victim tries to escape. Yes, we can all agree THAT'S abuse. But what this doctor refused to acknowledge as abuse is some harassment I had to endure with a former room-mate in a shared living situation, as well as in the workplace. He said the door was open and I can leave any time, I just have to find a new job or place to live. So technically, it doesn't fit the definition of "abuse".

I heartily disagree!! ! 8O
Are they not withholding, or rather holding for ransom, my ability (and right) to have food and shelter conveniently available? And assail my mental health??? I mean you can't just leave these situations the next day (or even week, or month), I guess it's all relative to this guy??!

OK, putting it in perspective, I agree that it's not the same type of abuse as a 12-year-old boy who trembles as his alcoholic father comes home late one night, and loudly complains about some trivial imperfection in the house and now somebody's "gonna get it", or those three unfortunate women who were held captive in Cleveland by that sick bastard Ariel Castro. Of course, that's hardcore abuse, and defined as such because those victims can't escape it, and they don't know WHEN or IF they might escape it. So my little anecdotes pale in comparison. But I still disagree that should be the main measure of abuse. You've got an abundance of other examples where it's not, like clinics or customer service wickets posting signs saying that no abuse of their staff will be tolerated, well should I have told that doctor to criticize the management of those establishments that their signs are incorrect??? I mean COME ON...



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06 Aug 2013, 9:33 pm

your therapist fell into a common trap - that of minimizing. people do this to allay their own discomfort when faced with someone else's problem.



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07 Aug 2013, 3:14 am

Jayo wrote:
Some time ago, I had a bit of an argument with a therapist who said that my definition of "abuse" was not consistent with the proper definition. He told me that "abuse" is something that the victimized party cannot get out of, like a child entrapped by an abusive parent, or an abusive husband ensnaring a wife, or people who become brainwashed by some cult group or figure. Or human trafficking where the victim's family or friends are threatened if the victim tries to escape. Yes, we can all agree THAT'S abuse. But what this doctor refused to acknowledge as abuse is some harassment I had to endure with a former room-mate in a shared living situation, as well as in the workplace. He said the door was open and I can leave any time, I just have to find a new job or place to live. So technically, it doesn't fit the definition of "abuse".

I heartily disagree!! ! 8O .


I disagree as well.

An argument could be made that the child could run away from home or report their parents to the authorities and the wife could just leave.

An argument could also be made that when living with an abusive roommate you can't just leave because you may not be able to afford a new place and it may take time to find a new place and you may have to give a notice before you move out. With the job if you just quit you may have trouble finding a new job. With either one you could end up broke and homeless.



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07 Aug 2013, 4:51 am

Your therapist is a hardass.


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07 Aug 2013, 5:49 am

Minimizing someone's struggles can also be a form of abuse, especially when that person is in the position of authority.

Seek out a new therapist, this one has a very distorted and unhealthy view.



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07 Aug 2013, 5:55 am

Your therapist was quibbling over the semantics of the word. You could have used some synonym--harassment, maybe--to get past the quibbling.



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07 Aug 2013, 7:46 am

As someone who grew up being one of those children living in fear of their drunk and abusive father coming home from the pub I disagree with your therapist.

Your abuse may have been of a lower level relative to some other people, but it was still abuse (or at least I'm assuming it was - I'm not going to judge based on your limited description).

Abuse is not defined by whether someone can escape from that situation - I could have run away anytime I wanted - but I was afraid to. You could have left those situations anytime you wanted to - but your ASD probably made it psychologically difficult to do so. So who was more trapped?

To me the definition of abuse is when you cause harm to someone, knowingly and with intent to harm. Especially in a situation where you are knowingly abusing that persons trust or vulnerability.

The only difference is in the degree of abuse taking place, yours might have been quite mild compared to mine, but that does not make your pain any less valid!


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07 Aug 2013, 8:26 am

I think your therapist is putting you in a not so abusive emotional place by completely minimizing your issues. Since it's not so abusive, maybe you should leave him for a better psychologist. The door is open as he says. lol



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07 Aug 2013, 8:54 am

girl_incognito wrote:
Seek out a new therapist, this one has a very distorted and unhealthy view.


I agree with this.

They refuse to acknowledge your hard times. It's like saying if you're constantly harassed at work that's not bullying because nobody was violent to you, called you names or raised their voice. Could you really just go out the door? It's known that one of your most basic needs is shelter and it is actually more important than any other factor - so no you couldn't just leave, you had to find a new place first. It was an option to leave yeah but tell that to your survival instincts.

What are their credentials? If only a counselling qualification I say change.

Actually it doesn't matter, you should change anyway because they invalidated your feelings. What's the benefit of that?



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07 Aug 2013, 9:47 am

It seems that when an authority figure corrects someone, that is also considered abuse.

:roll:



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07 Aug 2013, 9:51 am

Fnord wrote:
It seems that when an authority figure corrects someone, that is also considered abuse.

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I personally know a therapist - all it took for her to get the job was a one year college course. Don't get me wrong, she is a lovely person, but certainly not someone I would class as an 'Authority figure'.

I wouldn't however class lack of understanding from a therapist as Abuse though, just plain stupidness.


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07 Aug 2013, 9:55 am

I've been called "abusive" for citing dictionary definitions, providing valid references, and sticking to the facts.

Since when is it abusive to be right?



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07 Aug 2013, 5:19 pm

Abuse comes in all kinds of ways. Some forms have bigger consequences but just because one way does not have the consequences of another does not mean it is not abuse.



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07 Aug 2013, 6:22 pm

Hello.

Where does this therapist's definition of "abuse" come from? Did he say whether that definition is in a specific context such as some medical context or some social support context where you need to satisfy certain criteria to be regarded as having been "abused"? Or is it just his own idea? Was he talking about "abuse" in general? Whatever it is, what he said doesn't sound right to me. As some posters here suggested, it seems he was, for some reason, just trying to trivialize your claim that you've been abused. And that probably means that he was not really seriously trying to help you. So I think you had better find some other therapist if you still need therapy.



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07 Aug 2013, 7:06 pm

Jayo wrote:
Some time ago, I had a bit of an argument with a therapist who said that my definition of "abuse" was not consistent with the proper definition. He told me that "abuse" is something that the victimized party cannot get out of, like a child entrapped by an abusive parent, or an abusive husband ensnaring a wife, or people who become brainwashed by some cult group or figure. Or human trafficking where the victim's family or friends are threatened if the victim tries to escape. Yes, we can all agree THAT'S abuse. But what this doctor refused to acknowledge as abuse is some harassment I had to endure with a former room-mate in a shared living situation, as well as in the workplace. He said the door was open and I can leave any time, I just have to find a new job or place to live. So technically, it doesn't fit the definition of "abuse".


I mentioned this to my therapist today, and her response was disbelief. She agrees that anyone can be an abuser and that one's ability to escape does not define it as such.



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07 Aug 2013, 7:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
It seems that when an authority figure corrects someone, that is also considered abuse.

:roll:


It doesn't count as correcting when said authority figure is incorrect.


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