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Sethno
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02 May 2013, 4:28 pm

(original thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt227286.html )

Saw my own doctor for the first time since the so-called evaluation where after four hours of administering tests, the "doctor" told me I wasn't autistic because, for example, I could converse and interact, and had a sense of humor. "Obviously not autistic."

I described the tests/test elements.

My doctor said it was apparently an IQ test, not an evaluation for autism.

Wasn't that nice?


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What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".


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02 May 2013, 4:29 pm

Look for someone who administers diagnosis via ADOS and ADI-R. These people are much more likely to be able to recognize autism despite the ability to interact and having a sense of humor.



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02 May 2013, 4:40 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Look for someone who administers diagnosis via ADOS and ADI-R. These people are much more likely to be able to recognize autism despite the ability to interact and having a sense of humor.


But...

I don't know what ADOS and ADI-R are.

Are the "A"s for "autism"?

As for who to look for, I didn't even know the difference between a qualified person and a guy who thinks all autistics are Rain Man (or the difference between an autism evaluation and an IQ test).

EDIT:
Internet searches are our friends. Found them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Dia ... n_Schedule


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What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".


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02 May 2013, 4:43 pm

I swear. Sometimes doctors can be as ignorant as the general population. And they should know better!



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02 May 2013, 4:58 pm

Sethno wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Look for someone who administers diagnosis via ADOS and ADI-R. These people are much more likely to be able to recognize autism despite the ability to interact and having a sense of humor.


But...

I don't know what ADOS and ADI-R are.

Are the "A"s for "autism"?

As for who to look for, I didn't even know the difference between a qualified person and a guy who thinks all autistics are Rain Man (or the difference between an autism evaluation and an IQ test).

EDIT:
Internet searches are our friends. Found them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Dia ... n_Schedule


Yep. And Autism Diagnosis Interview - Revised. You can search for clinics that do this or ask a local autism or developmental disability resources type thing for help. If you're in the US, ARC (autism research center, I think) is present in many places.

I'll try to find an example. The best places (sadly also the most expensive) tend to include things like ADOS, ADI-R, the Vineland II adaptive behavior scales, IQ tests, and various other tests. They are fairly thorough.



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02 May 2013, 5:08 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
I swear. Sometimes doctors can be as ignorant as the general population. And they should know better!


They can be just as bad or worse. It depends om when they received their education. Remember Aspergers Syndrome/Disorder only became a standard diagnosis in 1991, and there were a lot of misconceptions about it.

So if the doctor received there education before 1991, or has not kept their knowledge up todate, they can have quite wrong ideas about various conditions and their symptoms.

Doctors can be just as lazy and ignorant as anyone else.


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02 May 2013, 5:15 pm

It's sad but true. I think it'd be embarrassing for a doctor to say, "You know I how know you're not autistic? Because you don't act like Rain Man."



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02 May 2013, 5:41 pm

kabouter wrote:
redrobin62 wrote:
I swear. Sometimes doctors can be as ignorant as the general population. And they should know better!


They can be just as bad or worse. It depends om when they received their education. Remember Aspergers Syndrome/Disorder only became a standard diagnosis in 1991, and there were a lot of misconceptions about it.

So if the doctor received there education before 1991, or has not kept their knowledge up todate, they can have quite wrong ideas about various conditions and their symptoms.

Doctors can be just as lazy and ignorant as anyone else.


I know someone who either is currently or was recently in university to study psychotherapy, and he was taught that autistic people do not understand that people are people.



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02 May 2013, 7:20 pm

Verdandi wrote:
kabouter wrote:
redrobin62 wrote:
I swear. Sometimes doctors can be as ignorant as the general population. And they should know better!


They can be just as bad or worse. It depends om when they received their education. Remember Aspergers Syndrome/Disorder only became a standard diagnosis in 1991, and there were a lot of misconceptions about it.

So if the doctor received there education before 1991, or has not kept their knowledge up todate, they can have quite wrong ideas about various conditions and their symptoms.

Doctors can be just as lazy and ignorant as anyone else.


I know someone who either is currently or was recently in university to study psychotherapy, and he was taught that autistic people do not understand that people are people.


That's what I was told, that to autistics, other people are pretty much inanimate objects.

I know there's the potential for that, but also know it's not that simple.

Does anyone here know of the "Ingenious Minds" episode with John Robison?

It showed him being a little inattentive to the feelings of his elderly mother, but at the same time wanting to be more in tune with other people, even taking experimental brain treatments in hopes of "opening up" a little more.

Not exactly uncaring in all respects.


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What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".


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02 May 2013, 7:57 pm

One of the issues I see is that people are taught about autistic children, and mostly assumptions about autistic children based primarily on observation and often ignoring what autistic people actually have to say. So people come away with the notion that if you're autistic in a certain way at five or 10 years of age, you're like that your whole life. I had someone argue that I was not supposed to have sufficient theory of mind to have a sense of humor if I am on the autistic spectrum. When I gave him a link to an autistic stand up comic he said she wasn't really autistic.

And when I started telling people I was autistic they immediately compared me to children they knew and said I was not like them.

It's frustrating. As a child, my sense of people as people was not what it is now. But somehow the expectation is that it should be the same as it was then.

Sort of went off into a rant there.



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03 May 2013, 8:43 pm

Verdandi wrote:
One of the issues I see is that people are taught about autistic children, and mostly assumptions about autistic children based primarily on observation and often ignoring what autistic people actually have to say. So people come away with the notion that if you're autistic in a certain way at five or 10 years of age, you're like that your whole life. I had someone argue that I was not supposed to have sufficient theory of mind to have a sense of humor if I am on the autistic spectrum. When I gave him a link to an autistic stand up comic he said she wasn't really autistic.

And when I started telling people I was autistic they immediately compared me to children they knew and said I was not like them.

It's frustrating. As a child, my sense of people as people was not what it is now. But somehow the expectation is that it should be the same as it was then.

Sort of went off into a rant there.


It's not a rant to make a valid point. That type of person needs to be asked "Are you an expert on autism? Qualified to diagnose? No? Then maybe you should listen to people who know what they're talking about. You could end up hurting someone if you don't."

The "hurting someone" part helps get thru to them.


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What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".


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10 Jun 2013, 1:17 am

Get this-

He left me a message saying he can't find my doctor's ID number so he can give her as the referral source for billing my insurance.

I can't in good conscience give him my doctor's contact info. Not after what he did and said.

Comments?


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What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".


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10 Jun 2013, 2:11 am

Wow. I'd get a second opinion if I were you.

I saw a clinical psychologist about three years ago and I mentioned that I thought I had Asperger's to him, he blew me off by saying "I don't think you have it". He proceeded to ask me a bunch of questions that involved my mental health and asked if I had any friends and asked me how my academics were. I got taken back to a room where he administered a verbal vocabulary test, a drawing test, and a block design test. It took about two and a half hours and he sent me on my merry way.

This psychologist told me he thought I had APD (avoidant personality disorder) and then denied ever telling me it. He also mentioned he didn't like labelling people. In the end, I was told I had a visual processing disorder when the actual "diagnosis" was nonverbal learning disability and I didn't find out about it until my vocational rehab caseworker showed me the evaluation.

Also, I suspected Asperger's because when I was a child I would always flap my hands, have conversations with my fingers, walk around in circles, run back and forth in my own little imaginary world and I would constantly wring my hands. Guess what? I still display those minus the walking around in circles , running back and forth, and the hand flapping. I still retreat into my little world, wring my hands, talk to myself and stare at my fingers while doing so. I also fidget and rock myself sideways every once in a while. I cannot verbalize my sentences properly sometimes or appropriately ask questions in a social setting. My interests are Harry Potter The Sims 3, 80's movies, Charmed, and certain music groups. I think I do possess more Aspie traits than NLD traits. The only NLD trait I have is my difficulty with math

The point is some doctors have no idea what they're talking about and I apologize for the long explanation in previous paragraphs. :oops:


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10 Jun 2013, 2:36 am

Verdandi wrote:
One of the issues I see is that people are taught about autistic children, and mostly assumptions about autistic children based primarily on observation and often ignoring what autistic people actually have to say. So people come away with the notion that if you're autistic in a certain way at five or 10 years of age, you're like that your whole life. I had someone argue that I was not supposed to have sufficient theory of mind to have a sense of humor if I am on the autistic spectrum. When I gave him a link to an autistic stand up comic he said she wasn't really autistic.

And when I started telling people I was autistic they immediately compared me to children they knew and said I was not like them.

It's frustrating. As a child, my sense of people as people was not what it is now. But somehow the expectation is that it should be the same as it was then.

Sort of went off into a rant there.


Before I was diagnosed, I went and had a non-clinical assessment with an AS specialist, she has AS herself (as does her son) and she is a stand-up comedienne.


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10 Jun 2013, 2:56 am

Sethno wrote:
Get this-

He left me a message saying he can't find my doctor's ID number so he can give her as the referral source for billing my insurance.

I can't in good conscience give him my doctor's contact info. Not after what he did and said.

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Sounds like he's administratively incompetent as well as clinically incompetent. You can ignore it and if he persists, tell him you have no idea what your doctor's ID number is as you only know your doctor by name. Or you could say sorry I cannot help you because I am autistic and to me you are just an inanimate object and I don't communicate with inanimate objects. :wink:

It's not your job to help him bill the insurance people. Does he even deserve paying because of how crap he is...


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10 Jun 2013, 7:09 am

I think there's a lot of variation in professionals' familiarity with how autistic traits can manifest in an adult. Some may be really old-school and would not consider anyone much less severely affected than Rain Man to be autistic. (And some may be of the political belief that autism is way overdiagnosed and never should have been applied to anyone more severe than Rain Man.) Others can see that adults who struggled a lot as a kid can develop very elaborate coping mechanisms, and so might recognize adults who present to the average person as pretty normal or just clever and quirky as being on the autistic spectrum. I've seen this range in professionals who have worked with my ex-boyfriend. One professional (not really an Asperger specialist) totally dismissed the idea that he was autistic, because all his Asperger adult patients were much less well-adjusted than my ex was. Another, a therapist with a special-ed training background who worked a lot with autistic adults like my ex, saw him as clearly on the spectrum and even (retroactively) saw traits in me. (My current self-assessment is that I'm most likely a BAP adult who would have qualified for an SCD diagnosis but probably not DSM-5 ASD as a child, had those diagnoses existed.)

Probably more important than the label itself when seeking out help is whether that professional can see your specific quirks and issues and how they might affect your life, and the strengths and limitations of the coping mechanisms you might have developed by your age. It probably matters less whether you have Asperger's or NLD or both, than whether whoever's working with you understands you and can help you refine your coping mechanisms. I think it's like Temple Grandin's view on how autism should be treated: work with the individual's "symptoms" or issues, not with the label as a whole. Because every person with autistic traits is unique in terms of their sensory, social, and information-processing style and how all that affects their daily life.


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