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19 Jun 2013, 12:30 pm

i have met more people with learning diff in my life than those without, and i have found that they are 'easy come easy go' type of people when it comes to friendships.

what i mean is, they may be friend to you but also can be fairweather friend, like only use you when they havent got anyone else and then when they meet other people they drop you and sometimes just blank you out, though unintentionaly. i found people with learning diff do this more than those without.

theres a woman at work in her 30s who have learning diff, shes very intelectualy dim but still have better social skills than me, though can still be socialy awkward in a different way to autistics. but i have noticed that she can be extraverted and the life and soul and is good with speaking up in groups and all of that normal social behaviour, and then she suddenly gets really chummy with someone but the friendship never lasts, they suddenly stop texting or ringing her and she doesnt see them again, and shes always wondering why, until she finds someone new. she tends to latch on to men as well, whether they treat her badly or not, and she also gets obsessions with men.
this isnt the only person i have met with learning diff, with this similar behaviour pattern .



i dont know if this is a trait of people with learning diff or if its just so happens to be the people with learning diff i happen to have met. i dont like to generelise, but its just something i have thought about the other day and wondering if anyone else have similar experiences with people with learning diffs.



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19 Jun 2013, 2:03 pm

Hmm, interesting. I've known people with learning difficulties in the past who also have ''easy come easy go'' friendships with people. I seem to attract those types of people, and they often seemed more selfish than the average person, and then when they dropped me for someone else, they didn't seem to realise how rejected I felt, like they were oblivious.

It's so difficult to explain the differences with social skills between a person with an ASD and a person with learning difficulties. From my experience, the people with an ASD I have met seem more like nicer people, or they are trying to be nice and only accidentally slip out something that offends someone but means no harm and is just unaware of social graces. But otherwise you can tell they like to be nice and dislike hostility. But from my experience people I have met with learning difficulties (especially children and young people) can come across as socially active but have bouts of being unfriendly, or can suddenly become unfriendly when they want, like if they have met another person to be friends with.
That still probably doesn't make sense. I know in my head how to interpret the behaviours of different social oddities and awkwardness of people of different neurologies, but is too hard to actually explain. It's like trying to explain the colour blue, one of those things you've just got to see for yourself and study, to be able to compare the differences.


I wish more people would reply to your posts, you don't need to get many replies in the threads I've seen you create. :(


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19 Jun 2013, 11:29 pm

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I wish more people would reply to your posts, you don't need to get many replies in the threads I've seen you create.


This is likely a hard one for most to reply to becouse its about comparing friends and when you only have had the same 2 or 3 throughout your teenage and adult life the sample size is not really good enough to make judgement on.

To anwser the OP question, with that said I tend to be the kind of person people know how to use and be friendly with yet not want as a true friend so your discription meets meny people I have crossed paths with over the years and I honestly never kept track of weather they were LD or not although I suspect mostly not except for the kids in school who I know were in special ed. Most people in the world appear fairweather in nature to me.



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20 Jun 2013, 12:20 am

When you say "people with learning difficulties" I'm not sure if you mean people who are ret*d, or people who just have a learning disability like dyscalculia, dyslexia or dysgraphia.
I belong to the latter group, I have significant trouble with maths (and chemistry and physics), and I guess you could say that I'm mostly a fair-weather friend. I don't wanna get too close to anyone, I don't want people to try to get me to waste a lot of time on them. I want my relations with people to stay casual. I would hate for people to think it's okay to call me a lot or just expect me to wish to hang with them often. I want my spare time to be that, and have a lot of time to pursue my solitary interests.

When I went to school I had a good enough relations with my classmates. We had a good tone and spent some time together in school, but I wasn't willing to sacrifice my spare-time on being with them. I was never happy when someone tried to persuade me to send time with them outside of school. My spare-time is for pets, reading, playing video games, surf and dream. I liked them alright but my interest in them stopped at the school gate.
If I get a job I assume I will feel the same way about my coworkers.

I make sure to stay aloof with my neighbors (comes natural lol) because they would be harder to avoid them classmates living further away, and I make sure I'm not inviting them to become closer. Thankfully I live in a city area where people to larger degree keep their distance.

So, OP, I'd be interested to know how you define the learning difficulty, because although it fits me, I have a hard time seeing what my problems with maths have to do with what kind of relations I want with my acquaintances.


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20 Jun 2013, 4:02 am

Skilpadde wrote:
When you say "people with learning difficulties" I'm not sure if you mean people who are ret*d, or people who just have a learning disability like dyscalculia, dyslexia or dysgraphia.
I belong to the latter group, I have significant trouble with maths (and chemistry and physics), and I guess you could say that I'm mostly a fair-weather friend. I don't wanna get too close to anyone, I don't want people to try to get me to waste a lot of time on them. I want my relations with people to stay casual. I would hate for people to think it's okay to call me a lot or just expect me to wish to hang with them often. I want my spare time to be that, and have a lot of time to pursue my solitary interests.

When I went to school I had a good enough relations with my classmates. We had a good tone and spent some time together in school, but I wasn't willing to sacrifice my spare-time on being with them. I was never happy when someone tried to persuade me to send time with them outside of school. My spare-time is for pets, reading, playing video games, surf and dream. I liked them alright but my interest in them stopped at the school gate.
If I get a job I assume I will feel the same way about my coworkers.

I make sure to stay aloof with my neighbors (comes natural lol) because they would be harder to avoid them classmates living further away, and I make sure I'm not inviting them to become closer. Thankfully I live in a city area where people to larger degree keep their distance.

So, OP, I'd be interested to know how you define the learning difficulty, because although it fits me, I have a hard time seeing what my problems with maths have to do with what kind of relations I want with my acquaintances.


yours social thing sounds more typical to an autistic. i said people with learning difficultys can appear socially awkward but not have the same social issues as an autistic might have.

i have learning difficultys as well as autism, so im one of those rare autistics who arent intelectually clever, but my autism makes me different to the norm and where i cant fit in or make friends because of autism. also i dont want friends either. my husband have learning diffs too but him and his mum think that s because he have adhd and so has short attention span which has held him back from learning and taking things in as a child. but his adhd make him come across as socially awkward because he can be annoying and arguementave to others.

what i mean by learning difficultys i dont mean ret*d, i mean people who were intelectualy behind through school and needed extra help, but they still 'normal' enough to live an independant life as adults, bit like some aspie people can, though aspies have more issues with different things. a person with learning diff generally have the same desire as nts for friendships, and can fit in and so on (it is not like the same as autism) but may have tendancy to get mixed with the wrong group of people, or have a habit of using people not just vulnerable people but any people. some may even have a speech delay as a child and can still have problem with language as adult but can still make friends and fit in etc.

its so hard to explain.