Expressing Doubts: First Scientific Refutal Of Asperger's

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Autism disorders aren't real for the same reason being gay isn't an illness. The general consensus is that genetic disorders(and it's widely speculated autism would count since you're either born with it or not) flip on and off like light switches from generation to generation. Is there really such a switch that makes you autistic? Was there really such a switch that made gay people gay? Nope. There is no switch that toggles whether one is born with attention deficit disorder; rather, based off parents, random mutations occur which may favor(or not) any number of basic attributes in personality, including hyperactivity, and just because random mutation grants your child with more prevalent hyperactivity doesn't mean it meets the criteria of genetic disorder.

Just like anything else, when I see a claim being made, I require evidence. If autism spectrum illnesses really exist then how come a cause has never been determined, and how come the branches of autism spectrum are so broad? If people diagnosed with autism are mentally ill then how come such a high portion of this group are non-religious? If autism were really a disorder or illness then you should be able to take a brain MRI of a person diagnosed with autism and locate the point of deficiencies, but even though autistic's brains are supposedly wired differently, no deficiencies are ever found. If anything, brain activity is more active.

I've researched autism for the past decade, and I've seen even the worst (YouTube)cases. I've seen adults who can't even speak without severe speech impediments, I've seen a teenager who despite intellectual aptitude must use a keyboard to communicate or suffers meltdowns, and I've seen those regarded as geniuses fail to express an understanding of empathy. You may then all be asking yourselves why I'm refuting autism if I've seen what you could call empirical evidence. But does saying "autism did it" really enable a greater understanding of why these people are the way they are?

High functioning autism is random mutation and severe autism is mild retardation. Under the criteria of neurological disorder, I conclude autism's invalidity. If you think I'm full of it; I want you to admit you think Albert Einstein, one of the highest regarded minds, was neurologically impeded. I simply don't think the pioneers of science(and basically society) are impaired at all. The Asperger's Syndrome diagnosis is just a way for conformist sheep to make themselves feel superior to people who are different.

If you want to see the response I got on another site, check out Zoklet. You can join and post in that thread as well. It's located in the math and science section.

Great! We can abandon nearly seven decades of accumulated research because a random guy on the internet popped in to make a false equivalence argument about autism and being gay. Plus, there was some watching of youtube involved.

So how is this scientific? It's all just theories based on one person's observation with no facts to back it up.

I agree with the threadstarter at the point, that only because something is else, that doesnt need to be an illness. I think there are lots of autistic people out there, that had simply lots of luck with their surrounding, giving them the capability to simply be a bit weird, but live their live in a good way. Those people will never go to a therapist, because they simply have no need for it.

But for many others, this little piece of being different is causing lots of problems in their surroundings. So its not even about the autism itself, but many simple have as side effects of the "not fitting in" stress-issues, social fears because of being afraid to act wrong, many suffer from self esteem issues from their childhood when they learned that they were "wrong", ... So this little bit of being else, can cause lots of troubles, and then you simply suffer from autism.

If you want an comparison: Both my sister and I have a little bit of being else with our big toes, its called a Halux. I do sports from now and then, its hiking and biking. With the biking the Halux is causing me no troubles, when doing hiking at the end of the day I feel some little issues in my feet, but in the next morning its already gone and I can walk on. So my feet is a little bit else, but its not cuasing me troubles, so its not ill.

My sister does daily jogging sports and run marathons (not daily ^^) The halux caused massive pain in her feet, but running is for her very important out of other causes, so she couldnt simply stop that. Her little bit of being else, was causing massive troubles and was an illness, that needed to be cured.

So I agree that not every piece of being else is an illness, but for lots of people its simply causing so much troubles, that it is an illness for them.

Autism is mild retardation? Although 70-90% children with autism, atypical autism and PDD-NOS have intelectual disability (except HFA and AS), difference in intelectual disability and asd is that in asd, main symptoms are connected with prefrontal impairment even when intellectual disability exists, and, how can people buy into this bollocks, when there are people like Richard Hof who make their point in neuroscientific exploration of ASD.... bollocks... autism can be 'gained' even in pre/peri/and postnatal period including hypoxia, cerebral hemorragia, trauma at birth, cmv infection etc... many causes-->same symptoms=> asd. just like in dyslexia, adhd, cerebral palsy, intelectual disability etc... and not all of the great minds have aspergers or hfa, actually very few have, and internet retrodiagnostics arent as valid as sitting next to ASD specialist and getting confirmation.... online data bases on such questions, not 3 min lasting videos of some random dude on youtube who clearly has no idea what genetic is...every disorder has its primary and secondary causes (eg. autism primary cause if nonrecognised although it can be genetic-neurophysiology(dopamine), perinatal hypoxia etc), secondary causes are brain (meaning always neuro) disfunctions caused by primary- pre/frontal cortex, and depending on wich part of the spectrum u are, temporal/occipital and basal ganglia/cerebellum dysfunction (usually associated with comorbid disorder)....ah nice chit chat...

First of all CP symptoms are easy distinguishibile only if u have tetraparetic spastic type, else u get dg. usually around 24 months, especially regarding ataxyc type which is often confused with DCD. Second- yes autism is caused by many genetic or epigenetic malfunctions, third if u r considering , for instance, Aspergers just neurodiversity and not having problems in every day activities u couldn't eveng get the diagnose (unless self-diagnosed).... same symptoms mean qualitative and quantitative impairment in social interactions, reciprocity, stereotipical repetetive behaviours, language impairment (AS pragmatic, ASD- depends where u r on the spectrum)... considering ASD,especially AS just neurodiversity is new fashion with those who have been misdiagnosed or self-diagnosed then rejected and diagnosed with sth else, and those 20% of kids who grow-out AS in adulthood still meat criterium for pragmatic disorder or/and social communication disorder, usually with 'OCD' symptoms. Regarding neuroscientific exloration- mind reading, language, and anything connected to the term 'social' is usually set in the prefrontal cortex (connecting through thalamocortical and thalamocerebellar pathways with other parts of the brain, including amygdalas -well known for its roll in understanding of emotions)...now write a paper, send it to nhid and tell em they r wrong.... autism, even mildest forms can and will be only explained by joining behaviour with brain regions which control it and ontogenesis of this neurological disorder. Regarding IQ scores, still more than 50% of children/adults with ASD have ID (no matter which populary refraised 'type of IQ' u take)... and u can see it with number of children with ASD who stay dependent on caregiving (AS & HFA need support, low functioning need more, and no matter if u say it is a 'pseudoretardation' caused by lack of support and treatment in childhood, or IQ discrepancy and way of testing IQ)... there were many peer rewieved scenarios with children with ID 'only' and children with ASD+ID (both mild intelectual impairment)...and the both groups showed same independency, of course group of asd+id having more difficulties in social communication. Running from the facts including numbers of people with ASD who also happen to have ID won't help them, or society getting propper treatment and support, and the number of people ASD +ID is getting lower (1-better early interverntion, 2 -more and more people diagnosed with AS )...if u take AS out of the ASD u get the same percentage of people with ASD+ID... more on pubmed and other scinetific bases, journals, books (if I knew how- I'd put all of these articles here- but I'm new here so u ll have to wait).

Honestly people need to be careful of points they are making without much to back it up. You are going up against years of research to the contrary. There is a difference between a point that is based in fact and just an opinion. Some people wrap an opinion up in fact but this is a slippery slope. Because then you get all these people jumping on the bandwagon and then you got one big ball of confusion.

Saying Autism does not exist would require loads of empirical data and there just isn't any as far as I know.