Page 1 of 2 [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

equestriatola
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 Aug 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 139,270
Location: Half of me is in the Washington state, the other Los Angeles.

02 Jul 2013, 2:50 am

Self-explanatory Q; I have been wondering what this is for a while, but I can't seem to put my finger on it.
---
If were like that, then I wouldn't be on this site; I'd be like a 1960s-era car, whereas most of society is the modern hybrid cars.


_________________
LIONS-STAMPEDERS-ELKS-ROUGHRIDERS-BLUE BOMBERS-TIGER-CATS-ARGONAUTS-REDBLACKS-ALOUETTES

The Canadian Football League - What We're Made Of

Feel free to talk to me, if you wish. :)

Every day is a gift- cherish it!

"A true, true friend helps a friend in need."


naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 69
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

02 Jul 2013, 3:47 am

I thought that I was the only person in creation who ever used the phrase "full blown autism".

I use the phrase to mean LFA- low functioning autism. People who are so withdrawn that they cant function in basic ways, and would be seen as impaired and handicapped the first time you met them. That as opposed to aspies, or HFA's, who blend into society and arent obviously impaired until you work with them on the job for six months and you realize what wierdos they are ( ie its a 'hidden handicap').



Dillogic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Nov 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,339

02 Jul 2013, 3:50 am

naturalplastic wrote:
That as opposed to aspies, or HFA's, who blend into society and arent obviously impaired... .


I must be doing something wrong.



chlov
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 851
Location: My house

02 Jul 2013, 6:15 am

Full-blown autism=LFA, the severe autism.

naturalplastic wrote:
That as opposed to aspies, or HFA's, who blend into society and arent obviously impaired until you work with them on the job for six months and you realize what wierdos they are

... Actually, people have told me that they can realize I'm not "typical" just after 5 minutes they've talked with me. Ahw well. I guess it's evident in my case.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

02 Jul 2013, 6:34 am

People have weird, misguided notions about "LFA" and "HFA." KingdomOfRats pointed out that people seem to assume that LFA and HFA implies a specific global level of functioning, but that this is inaccurate. This is a disservice to people labeled as LFA (by deeming them incapable of doing anything meaningful, even when they are capable of such things and already doing them - or defining whatever they do as not meaningful)After all, one of the hallmarks of autism is an uneven profile of skills and cognitive abilities.

I would be described as HFA but it doesn't take anyone six months to realize I have difficulties. My first recent psychological evaluation involved one test and an hour-long face-to-face evaluation, and resulted in a determination that I am unable to work or fully care for myself, and that I should be on disability. In my next face to face evaluation, the clinician noted multiple signs of autistic behavior, many of which I was completely unaware of, and diagnosed me with Asperger's Syndrome. My disability attorney noticed things within minutes of our first meeting (although he did not immediately identify me as autistic).

There are posters here who describe themselves as LFA, or at least describe themselves as having traits associated with LFA (for example, being nonverbal, having severe difficulties with self-care, and being diagnosed with intellectual disability). Their autism doesn't keep them from this forum, although I imagine the fact that every time this topic comes up someone says "no one who is that severe could possibly be here" or some variation, plus the tendency among Aspies on this forum to talk about how cures should be optional...except for those who are severe, who are perceived as being unable to decide for themselves, and essentially shut out of the conversation because by the definitions used on this forum, if one can participate, one does not count in that category even when they do.

If you really believe that "LFA" means "can't do anything ever" I strongly suggest paying closer attention to who posts what on this forum, and what they say. I would also strongly suggest checking out the documentary Wretches & Jabberers which features two severely autistic men who use assistive devices to speak (and have limited speech on their own), both of whom are engaged in activism to some degree. The documentary is about a global trip they took to network with others in similar situations. The film is on Netflix instant for those who have access, and their blog is right here:

http://www.wretchesandjabberers.org/



League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,280
Location: Pacific Northwest

02 Jul 2013, 7:21 am

I assume it means severe autism.


_________________
Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.


naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 69
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

02 Jul 2013, 11:59 am

OK!

I take back the 'six months' part of what I said!

Jeeze!

Lol!

But still there is not much to it.

"Full blown" just means "severe", or "low functioning", even if the person has savant skills.

A kid who cant speak nor dress himself (likes life skills) but one day single handidly solves the unified field problem that Einstein couldnt solve- would still be classified as 'low functioning' (even if he wins the Nobel Prize) because he still needs other folks to take care of him on a day-to-day basis.



BeggingTurtle
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,374
Location: New England

02 Jul 2013, 2:40 pm

The definition of "full blown Tourettes" means Tourettes and nothing else. Does this mean autism with no commodities?


_________________
Shedding your shell can be hard.
Diagnosed Level 1 autism, Tourettes + ADHD + OCD age 9, recovering Borderline personality disorder (age 16)


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

02 Jul 2013, 4:48 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
But still there is not much to it.

"Full blown" just means "severe", or "low functioning", even if the person has savant skills.

A kid who cant speak nor dress himself (likes life skills) but one day single handidly solves the unified field problem that Einstein couldnt solve- would still be classified as 'low functioning' (even if he wins the Nobel Prize) because he still needs other folks to take care of him on a day-to-day basis.


There apparently is much to it because of the perception of a global deficit that does not exist, which leads people to deciding that "LFA means not even being able to post on a forum" for example, when that is not the case. When I wrote about uneven profiles, I meant being able to do some things rather than being unable to do anything. I was not referring to splinter skills.

I do see you did not make that claim, but I think it is a point that should be kept in mind.



Bitoku
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2013
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 222
Location: Calgary

02 Jul 2013, 5:47 pm

If you're wondering what full autism looks like, I can give a personal experience of mine.

I was in a teacher education program for a year in University (before deciding to drop out of it and switch into something else), and was basically a teacher's assistant for part of it. In the grade 2/3 split class I was assigned to, there was an autistic grade 3 girl. She looked fairly normal in terms of physical appearance, but acted more along the lines of a mentally handicapped person a lot of the time. She usually wouldn't really talk in a normal way, instead sort of making noises and pointing at things usually. She would never look anyone in the eye at all, and was always preoccupied doing her own thing. She had to have a full-time adult attendant with her, because although she wasn't particularly dangerous, she could start to sort of have a fit like a toddler if things got too stimulating for her, and would have to be taken out of the room to calm down. Most of the time she wasn't disruptive, but was clearly locked into her own mind, being completely unable to communicate with other kids normally.

The amazing thing is that even though it never seemed like she was paying attention to anyone else, including the teacher, she was actually picking things up in her mind. I remember one day they were having a verbal spelling test, and I sat with her to prompt her to write the answers. She wouldn't write them on her own when the teacher said them to the class in general, but if I softly told her the word and asked her to write it, she would, and she got most of them correct. She also had an incredible ability to draw. She would usually occupy herself by drawing a lot of the time in class, and I saw some of her drawings of horses (one of her favorite things to draw), that looked like realistic-style portrait drawings done by a trained artist.



apequake
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jun 2013
Age: 49
Gender: Male
Posts: 115
Location: Virginia

02 Jul 2013, 6:42 pm

It is identical to full-blown AIDS, just with no AIDS and 100% more autism. Freakin; awesome!



TPE2
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Oct 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,461

02 Jul 2013, 7:11 pm

BeggingTurtle wrote:
The definition of "full blown Tourettes" means Tourettes and nothing else. Does this mean autism with no commodities?


By t definition, full blown autism should be HFA (because LFA can be considered autism + intellectual disability).



equestriatola
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 Aug 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 139,270
Location: Half of me is in the Washington state, the other Los Angeles.

03 Jul 2013, 6:24 am

So, according to you guys, 'full-blown' autism is LFA. I can accept that.


_________________
LIONS-STAMPEDERS-ELKS-ROUGHRIDERS-BLUE BOMBERS-TIGER-CATS-ARGONAUTS-REDBLACKS-ALOUETTES

The Canadian Football League - What We're Made Of

Feel free to talk to me, if you wish. :)

Every day is a gift- cherish it!

"A true, true friend helps a friend in need."


syzygyish
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Feb 2007
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,086
Location: swimming in the air

03 Jul 2013, 6:40 am

Bitoku wrote:
If you're wondering what full autism looks like, I can give a personal experience of mine.

I was in a teacher education program for a year in University (before deciding to drop out of it and switch into something else), and was basically a teacher's assistant for part of it. In the grade 2/3 split class I was assigned to, there was an autistic grade 3 girl. She looked fairly normal in terms of physical appearance, but acted more along the lines of a mentally handicapped person a lot of the time. She usually wouldn't really talk in a normal way, instead sort of making noises and pointing at things usually. She would never look anyone in the eye at all, and was always preoccupied doing her own thing. She had to have a full-time adult attendant with her, because although she wasn't particularly dangerous, she could start to sort of have a fit like a toddler if things got too stimulating for her, and would have to be taken out of the room to calm down. Most of the time she wasn't disruptive, but was clearly locked into her own mind, being completely unable to communicate with other kids normally.

The amazing thing is that even though it never seemed like she was paying attention to anyone else, including the teacher, she was actually picking things up in her mind. I remember one day they were having a verbal spelling test, and I sat with her to prompt her to write the answers. She wouldn't write them on her own when the teacher said them to the class in general, but if I softly told her the word and asked her to write it, she would, and she got most of them correct. She also had an incredible ability to draw. She would usually occupy herself by drawing a lot of the time in class, and I saw some of her drawings of horses (one of her favorite things to draw), that looked like realistic-style portrait drawings done by a trained artist.


Beautfull
She' Beautifull
You're Beautifull

and wer'e beautiful!
(I hope(gulp))

Beautiful post! :heart:


_________________
Be kinder than necessary for everyone is fighting some kind of battle
-Jaleb


Bitoku
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2013
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 222
Location: Calgary

04 Jul 2013, 4:27 pm

syzygyish wrote:
Beautiful post! :heart:

Thank you very much for that :)

One thing that working with her made me realize is how Aspergers really does seem like some sort of a state that's inbetween the two sides of NT and full autism. Aspergers will have some socialization and over-stimulation issues, but won't be completely shutdown by it like full autism. And where Aspergers can have enhanced abilities in our special interests, it often pales to the abilities full autistics have in theirs (I can see why they were once refered to as "idiot savants").

I fould I could intuitively relate to her autistic ways to a certain degree, probably more so than the NTs that worked with her, but not fully. It's similar to how, on the other side, I can understand NTs to a certain degree, but also never quite fully. Because of this, I tend to often think of myself (having Aspergers) as being only "half-autistic".



RagingShadow
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 17 Mar 2013
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 94
Location: Southern California

05 Jul 2013, 1:22 am

I would consider my cousin (15, non verbal, in diapers, can't feed self properly) to have full blown autism.


_________________
Diagnosed with ASD at age 17 with the DSM V.
Trying to find Aspie meetups in the Long Beach, CA area.