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22 Jul 2013, 2:05 pm

Just wanted to share that J Cole apologized for his lyrics.

http://www.dreamvillain.net/autismspeaks/



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22 Jul 2013, 2:14 pm

I usually take apologies with a pinch of salt - because they are usually non-apologies. but this actually sounds sincere and genuine.

Well done J Cole for having the courage to admit that you were wrong!


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22 Jul 2013, 2:27 pm

I am really impressed with this artist. The apology seemed quite sincere and didn't appear to be a hasty attempt to cover for a mistake. Though I don't care much for rap, (one of my sensory triggers) I will say that what Mr. Cole has done with this apology has shown that there still remains good consciences within the entertainment community.


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22 Jul 2013, 2:44 pm

Hmm ...

1. Does he admit what he did?

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In a recent verse on the song “Jodeci Freestyle”, I said something highly offensive to people with Autism.


2. Does he admit that it was wrong?

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Last week, when I first saw a comment from someone outraged about the lyric, I realized right away that what I said was wrong.


3. Does he say, "I'm sorry"?

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To anyone suffering from Autism, either mildly or severely, I am sorry.


4. Does he express repentance?

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I want to educate myself more on Autism, and I’ll gladly own my mistake and serve as an example to today’s generation that there’s nothing cool about mean-spirited comments about someone with Autism.


5. Does he ask to be forgiven?

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To the parents who are fighting through the frustrations that must come with raising a child with severe autism, finding strength and patience that they never knew they had; to the college student with Asperger’s Syndrome; to all those overcoming Autism. You deserve medals, not disrespect. I hope you accept my sincere apology.


6. Does he make excuses?

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7. Is he offering restitution (i.e. a financial settlement, perhaps)?*

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8. Does he at least promise to remove the song from his current and future performances?*

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[opinion=mine]

Unless he at least offers to donate all of the profits from his hateful "Jodeci Freestyle" to a cause that supports Autism awareness and education, or that gives financial support for people with Autism and their families, then I doubt his sincerity in making this so-called "apology". Without sacrificing the profits, he is showing that he is willing to do anything - even issue a fake apology - as long as he gets to keep the money.

Further, unless he immediately withdraws "Jodeci Freestyle" from all airplay and download sites, then he may as well just slap each and every one of us in the face every time it plays.

He reveals his true intentions with 7 and 8.

[/opinion]



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22 Jul 2013, 2:53 pm

so is this guy localy known/nationaly known/internationaly known?
if he is under a record label can bet they woud be putting pressure on an artist to apologise but he did go to some work to taking notice of us,as the autistic community rather than just doing a scripted piece of crap made by his staff.

perhaps he shoud be doing volunteer work in different areas with people all over the spectrum if he truly wants to get an understanding of us,.


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22 Jul 2013, 3:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
Hmm ...

1. Does he admit what he did?

Quote:
In a recent verse on the song “Jodeci Freestyle”, I said something highly offensive to people with Autism.


2. Does he admit that it was wrong?

Quote:
Last week, when I first saw a comment from someone outraged about the lyric, I realized right away that what I said was wrong.


3. Does he say, "I'm sorry"?

Quote:
To anyone suffering from Autism, either mildly or severely, I am sorry.


4. Does he express repentance?

Quote:
I want to educate myself more on Autism, and I’ll gladly own my mistake and serve as an example to today’s generation that there’s nothing cool about mean-spirited comments about someone with Autism.


5. Does he ask to be forgiven?

Quote:
To the parents who are fighting through the frustrations that must come with raising a child with severe autism, finding strength and patience that they never knew they had; to the college student with Asperger’s Syndrome; to all those overcoming Autism. You deserve medals, not disrespect. I hope you accept my sincere apology.


6. Does he make excuses?

Quote:
...


7. Is he offering restitution (i.e. a financial settlement, perhaps)?*

Quote:
...


8. Does he at least promise to remove the song from his current and future performances?*

Quote:
...


[opinion=mine]

Unless he at least offers to donate all of the profits from his hateful "Jodeci Freestyle" to a cause that supports Autism awareness and education, or that gives financial support for people with Autism and their families, then I doubt his sincerity in making this so-called "apology". Without sacrificing the profits, he is showing that he is willing to do anything - even issue a fake apology - as long as he gets to keep the money.

Further, unless he immediately withdraws "Jodeci Freestyle" from all airplay and download sites, then he may as well just slap each and every one of us in the face every time it plays.

He reveals his true intentions with 7 and 8.

[/opinion]


And would you accept his apology then? or will you also require him to be crucified even more?

When someone has the courage to express a genuine apology, its petty minded to then demand even more from them.

TBH it sounds to me like you are more interested in revenge than any attempt to apologise!


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22 Jul 2013, 3:45 pm

Giving money isn't a really relevant gesture from someone who's rich. On the other hand, giving your time in order to educate yourself--that's relevant. If the guy goes and reads up on autism and learns what it's about and why using "autistic" as an insult is Not Cool, I think that shows more desire to make up for what he said than any amount of money could.

I wonder if anybody's given him a list of good references to read about autism? He already seems to know some things, like how some auties are college students and others are little kids, and how some of us are really independent and others very disabled. That's more than some people know.

Seems like he could just tweak the lyrics a bit, put out a new version of the song. No need to withdraw it completely.


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22 Jul 2013, 3:53 pm

He still thinks we're ret*d apparently - it's the parents whom he treats as the "autism community".



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22 Jul 2013, 6:26 pm

grahamguitarman wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Hmm ...
[opinion=mine]

Unless he at least offers to donate all of the profits from his hateful "Jodeci Freestyle" to a cause that supports Autism awareness and education, or that gives financial support for people with Autism and their families, then I doubt his sincerity in making this so-called "apology". Without sacrificing the profits, he is showing that he is willing to do anything - even issue a fake apology - as long as he gets to keep the money.

Further, unless he immediately withdraws "Jodeci Freestyle" from all airplay and download sites, then he may as well just slap each and every one of us in the face every time it plays.

[/opinion]


And would you accept his apology then?

Of course! The sincerity of his intent is shown by his actions. As long as he keeps his ill-gotten gains (imo), he is no better than the person who says he's sorry for beating you up for your lunch money, but never gives your lunch money back.



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22 Jul 2013, 11:41 pm

I don't know this man from a bar of soap and if I cared for his opinion, I would go hunting in a sewer for it


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23 Jul 2013, 2:48 am

Fnord wrote:
Unless he at least offers to donate all of the profits from his hateful "Jodeci Freestyle" to a cause that supports Autism awareness and education, or that gives financial support for people with Autism and their families, then I doubt his sincerity in making this so-called "apology". Without sacrificing the profits, he is showing that he is willing to do anything - even issue a fake apology - as long as he gets to keep the money.


I don't think the profits necessarily belongs to him because record companies apparently give an advance to the artist and they pay it back with the revenues that are earned. I guess it depends on contract and if they ever managed to pay back the advance, so maybe there is not much they can do in terms of putting a percentage to something they don't necessarily own/control. If theres a way they can do that with their contract then I agree. Or maybe a personal (sizeable) donation would show the sincerity that he's "touched" by what people go through. Or just anything besides the appoligy on it's own.

But if people know the word autism they must know it's a disability right? So they know it's not acceptable to say something yet they do..

There must surely be some responsibility for those who air or sell music too.



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23 Jul 2013, 3:13 am

Shellfish wrote:
I don't know this man from a bar of soap and if I cared for his opinion, I would go hunting in a sewer for it


There was a petition asking him to retract and apologize. Unfortunately, the petition neglected the fact that he also used "ret*d" while focusing on "autistic."

So, this is a response to the response that his lyrics got. Some people here discussed this earlier and thus are at least somewhat invested in the outcome.



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23 Jul 2013, 4:37 am

Talk about making your own news out of nothing. So now he's a hero for not being the villain he was last week? Another successful media manipulation. Bottled water, on sale now while supplies last, this way to the egress.


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23 Jul 2013, 6:23 am

No, he's not a hero, nor was he a villain last week. That's a rather extreme view of the situation.



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23 Jul 2013, 10:05 am

Heh, man, if I was a villain every time I did something nasty and a hero every time I apologized for it, my alignment would change so often I'd give every nearby paladin a seizure. :lol:


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Heh, man, if I was a villain every time I did something nasty and a hero every time I apologized for it, my alignment would change so often I'd give every nearby paladin a seizure. :lol:


Alignment strobing = Paladin meltdowns. :D